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    Player xPeAcEx's Avatar
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    Zyra Zephyr
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Basically the following, Innovation is only good when you don't have any stacks of IQ and losses effectiveness as your control increases. Anything below 50, you don't need either ING 2 or Inno. 1 star or 2 star ONLY, you want to follow:

    SH 1 > Excellent > BB
    SH 1 > Any Condition > GS > Good/Excellent > BB
    SH 1 > Any Condition > GS > Any Condition > ING 2 > Good/Excellent > BB
    SH 1 > Any Condition > GS > Any Condition > ING 2 > Any Condition > Innovation > Any Condition > BB

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyroclastic View Post
    Hmmm, ok.. That's really weird though, I always thought because ING2 lowers the recipe lvl, that the effect of ING2 becomes BETTER, the HIGHER the recipe lvl (more stars) is.. So this is not the case then? O.o
    The formula to calculate how much quality you get based on your control is estimated to be ax^2 + bx + c
    But things aren't that simple because our level caps at 50 and we are given a level penalty each time we do a recipe that is higher than our cap.

    Now there are different degree's to the level penalty based on how many level's higher the recipe is than your current level.

    As an example. If you have 391 control.

    1 Star and 2 Star
    You first Basic Touch should yield 177.35 quality but it doesn't. It only yields 129.7 quality which is sadly always rounded down to 129. This is because of the level penalty applied. What ingenuity 2 does is since you level discrepancy lowered; then the level penalty applied is also lowered and you get 172.9 quality which again is rounded down to 172 quality increase.

    SH > BT = 129
    SH > ING 2 > BT = 172

    3 Star an d 4 Star
    The problem now is that as higher recipes come out, our level is still capped so no matter how much we decrease the level by, the penalty is still at the maximum. Which means that for those two crafts. Ingenuity 2 is useless because regardless of whether or not you use it, you will get 129 quality.

    SH > BT = 129
    SH > ING 2 > BT = 129

    Waste of CP

    Check http://ffxiv.lokyst.net/ blog for more details on how it works.
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    Last edited by xPeAcEx; 11-27-2014 at 10:20 AM.