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  1. #41
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    Sessurea's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illya View Post
    They made the Relic quest a succession of increasingly ridiculous grinds. If they don't reset it and start over in Heavensward, new players will literally never be able to catch up.
    Exactly this. In a game where the new player will literally skip low-mid tiers and go straight for decent-good stuff ( sold/shiva weaps, sold/ironworks/ha gears ), it makes 0 sense to have this abomination of a questline still hanging around. Nothing has done as much damage to this game as the relic quest( atma-nexus only ofc ). Still freaking seeing this crap in PFs....

    Would be neat for the relic to finally rip b4 expansion anyways, along with coil/st storylines.
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  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illya View Post
    Also the expense required for the materia to make Animus is entirely out of reach of any players who aren't hardcore gatherers or crafters. The Relic Animus weapon should be called the Relic Crafter weapon because only they can afford the materia required to make it.
    This is a ridiculous misconception. You can split a Novus up into 3 stats with only a very small difference in your numbers. If you really want to go the two stat route with all the Tier IV's, you can spiritbond for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sessurea View Post
    Exactly this. In a game where the new player will literally skip low-mid tiers and go straight for decent-good stuff ( sold/shiva weaps, sold/ironworks/ha gears ), it makes 0 sense to have this abomination of a questline still hanging around. Nothing has done as much damage to this game as the relic quest( atma-nexus only ofc ). Still freaking seeing this crap in PFs....

    Would be neat for the relic to finally rip b4 expansion anyways, along with coil/st storylines.
    I don't get what the problem with the questline is. People have had Novus and Nexus ninja weapons for awhile now.

    It's clearly not *that* big of a deal to do. Yes, you could pre-farm the Atmas and the Alexandrite, but overall that's not much time saved, especially with the new and improved Atma drop rate. There's several different ways to get Alexandrite, but ultimately it only took me 2-3 weeks to go from Animus to Novus the first time around. You can't pre-farm Animus since you can only buy one book at a time, but those books don't take all that long to do if you're dedicated to it. Nexus can't be pre-farmed either, but it isn't exactly something you have to go out of your way to do. You could just do your daily roulettes and eventually get the upgrade.

    I'm really not sure how much easier you could make it.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 11-26-2014 at 01:20 PM.

  3. #43
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    They made the Relic quest a succession of increasingly ridiculous grinds. If they don't reset it and start over in Heavensward, new players will literally never be able to catch up.
    Don't use the word literally if you don't know its meaning. When i came back to the game in 2.3, i had only zenith. I found a coil group and in between raid/weekly soldiery i was working toward my novus. This once again is a "i dont want to" complain.
    Also the expense required for the materia to make Animus is entirely out of reach of any players who aren't hardcore gatherers or crafters
    The cost isn't bad at all if you go for more than 2 stats.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    I'm really not sure how much easier you could make it.
    Lol it is a ridiculous amount of time that is required to get nexus imo. People can farm soldiery weapons in an afternoon, yet they have to start relic questline right at the start? Atma was ok even not nerfed, animus was horrendous, novus was somewhat ok but nexus was disgusting. Playing even everyday that takes way too long to do.

    And yh lol, nobody is saying this is hard, it's just ridiculous, but hey, all my opinion. Pf/df queues gonna be a bunch of laughs again when every1s grinding their omg new relic, and following patch boom, everyone running around in 120 ironworks weaps when they put uat2 in ct3, and then straight back to the forum with the ever entertaining "what was the point grinding my new relic?" threads.

    I'm not sure what the point of the relic weapon is, in all honesty. At 1st it seemed a nice challenge killing those hm primals, but now it means nothing except that the player can watch paint dry.
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    Last edited by Sessurea; 11-26-2014 at 01:34 PM.

  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sessurea View Post
    Lol it is a ridiculous amount of time that is required to get nexus imo..
    And there is nothing wrong with that. Nexus is in no way required to play anything in the game, including coil. it's an optional upgradable weapon.
    I want the parade chocobo yet you don't see me complain about the 3000 commendation cost
    People put a lot of time into their relic weapon, whenever it is for the stats or the skin, Lets not disminish that only because this generation of gamers are willing to do ANYTHING to get what they want except actually working for it
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    Last edited by hallena; 11-26-2014 at 01:39 PM.

  6. #46
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    I guess some people would regard relic quests as fun. Only 1st relic was truly fun. Atma was arguably fun in a kinda old school treasure hunt way, but the rest.....

    There shouldn't be a division between fun and working for a weapon in a GAME<----. Games aren't about watching paint dry, they are about having fun......In the words of SE: " if it's not fun, you're doing it wrong".....oh wait....
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    If it wasnt meant to be a grind, then why introduce the damn thing in the first place?
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    Denarius Jay
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    Relic will die either way you look at it. Either SE will end it, or gear creep will, eventually no new player is gonna look at relic as BiS, so players won't do them anymore.
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    All I'm going to say it this: If they wind up just throwing away the weapon I worked so hard to get to its peak optimization, I want my ~10 million gil back, dammit.

    I never would have started the questline in the first place if I had even thought that this would be the outcome, and I'll never start on another one, if all I'm going to be doing is just wasting time and gil.
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  10. #50
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    It doesn't really matter much to me what they do with it. I'll eventually have my Spharai Nexus (and whatever after that) and at 3.0 I'll upgrade to...something else, be it a continuation of my relic weapon or a new weapon. More than likely there would be a new weapon in the mix somewhere even if they continue the relic quest, since a perfectly mediocre level 60 weapon that you can get without hassle upon leveling to 60 will likely be much better than the fully upgraded zodiac weapon anyway. So you'd be using that for a time before you could do whatever insane grind to get your relic up to the new standard.
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