Relics coming to an end?

[Ophie-Mio]

You cannot do Morbid Motivation without first obtaining at least one Relic Animus to unlock One Man's Trash. Alt relics should not enter a conversation of what playing the game is like for newbies.

I was a newbie in April. My first lvl 50 job was bard and I got the animus for it. My Novus was for whm that I had saved up atma for from the original grind back when it was difficult. I was slow on the Atma book grind and got Alexandrite during. I didn't even get my Novus until the first few days of 2.4.
So alt relics can come into play when speaking of newbies. What I have done isn't so crazy.

So Ophie its basically ok that SE does a hard reset on all gear including coil gear (which also takes awhile to get before its put into df) but, relic weapons should be the only exclusion to this rule?

No, but expansions are expansions. They are made to expand upon the content already present not wipe it clean. People who begin the game for Heavensward will still need to get a Lvl.60 and still need the ilevel to go through content. They will see what others did and go through the coils if they want or pass it up (most will still go into it cause it's content). Coil gear will be easier obtainable ilevel by then and most will still go through it for the gear.
I'm not even talking about what should and shouldn't be exclusive or what. Even if the grind included a quest line, it's whatever. What I'm saying is that wiping the slate clean on hard work is not the way to go with the new relics whatever they may be. Even taking the suggestion of doing a pre-step for it without a Nexus/Zodiac whatever it's called is better than telling us to our faces that our efforts will always be rewarded with nothing.

Pretty sure SE wants all the new content to be accessible to new players without them having to backtrack through previous content to eventually caught up to the 2.0 players. I understand you all put a lot of time to get your relics but, SE has to cater to their bottom line and making the game completely accessible to new expansion players feeds into that.

After the leveling is complete for these new players and they have to get whatever ilevel is required, they will be "backtracking." And SE catering exclusively to their brand-new expansion players won't help their numbers when it comes to the players who grind out the content consistently. If they make these relics irrelevant, they make the next ones so as well. Why grind if it will mean nothing?

That's the plan once 3.0 comes out. You don't have to complete coil to do endgame raiding in 3.0. So the same idea should be applied to relics as well.

You don't have to complete coil to do endgame raiding in 3.0 but just to completely ignore older content is sad. This game honestly does not have enough content to actually justify skipping one just because it's old. What else you gonna do?

[Krr]

I was a newbie in April. My first lvl 50 job was bard and I got the animus for it. My Novus was for whm that I had saved up atma for from the original grind back when it was difficult. I was slow on the Atma book grind and got Alexandrite during. I didn't even get my Novus until the first few days of 2.4.
So alt relics can come into play when speaking of newbies. What I have done isn't so crazy.

That's true. I apologize for being harsh.

However, it's factually untrue and misleading to tell people that "alexandrite isn't so bad" because you saved it up for an alt relic using a former main relic that you made months ago. First-time relic pathers who stick to their main won't have the option to gear their first job as quickly as you geared your second or third. Few relic pathers would even imagine switching main relics once they got past the extremely expensive animus step.

Newbies didn't have months to save up resources from "When atma was new and hard". Newbies don't have a full kit of roulettes unlocked for months. Newbies reached level 50 a couple of weeks ago and are still spending another week sitting in queue waiting for their dungeons to pop so they can unlock their HM roulette and are scraping together sol to inflate their ilvl just to participate in anything. Being new in 2.2 isn't anything like being new in 2.4 - the amount of content bloat to catch up on is absurd.

New in 2.4 is much, much different than new in 2.2.

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I'm pretty sure the new 51-59 or so dungeons won't have an ilvl cap so you can go in whatever gear you have at the moment. They'll also probably incorporate armor similar to relics so people can be relatively geared for the new 60 dungeons. I'm all for people doing old content but, it shouldn't be forced upon you if you're a new player. WoW locked content out in similar way in BC with no one way to advance unless you attuned yourself to old raids that no one wanted to do. They realized that was a mistake and allowed easier access to gear and items for new players. Requiring people to do old content before trying the new content creates artificial blocks since you can only group with newer players since the older players will all ready be head first in new content. Sure some players that put a ton of time into relics and coil will be upset by this but, its really for the greater good so that newer players can quickly join in with the older players in experiencing the new content. Now if they want to backtrack and do coil and relics all over again that's completely optional which it should be. You're suggesting that it should be mandatory for players to backtrack and that really turns off some perspective new players. Also the grind you made isn't completely useless. You'll have a weapon that most players won't have when 3.0 hits. You might not be able to keep your stat upgrades but, coil players won't be able to keep their Dreadwyrm weapons either since the 3.0 weapons that replaces the relics will have a much higher ilvl. So by allowing you to keep your relic upgradable you're also forcing endgame players or prospective endgame players to grind out relic weapons right now so they'll be ahead for 3.0 and, trust me if the do that you're going to see a lot of flame. They'll be way more complaining than on this current thread.