Undercutting.

[Kiroh]

No, this is not a thread complaining about people who price their items low to sell quickly. I'm not going to whine about people getting into undercut wars or how undercutting by huge amounts hurts the game's economy. I have no problem with people who want to sell their items for cheaper than someone else.

But for the love of god if you're going to undercut, have some common sense :



And don't undercut yourself.

[Barboron]

Actually, I undercut myself at times on purpose.

1- To find out at what price other players are willing to buy my stuff, at least sooner rather than later.
2- I undercut one retainer using another so as not to lead people to think both retainers are owned by the same player and make it look like competition.

[Kiroh]

Actually, I undercut myself at times on purpose.
1- To find out at what price other players are willing to buy my stuff, at least sooner rather than later.

You do realize there is a "sale history" tab when you put something up for sale that shows you how much, and when (date and time) items sell for, right?

[Barboron]

You do realize there is a "sale history" tab when you put something up for sale that shows you how much, and when (date and time) items sell for, right?

Yeah but it doesn't tell you how long it is up there for for every single item. I gave you reasons as to why I may undercut myself. That doesn't mean I do it every chance I get. Since you brought up the sale history tab, that doesn't quite put this situation into perspective. What if another player came and undercut this player? Why decrease the value of both entries when you could do it to just one, have the second player's item sell quick, leaving your own to be the two cheapest entries (or just the one) at a higher price.

[Kiroh]

Yeah but it doesn't tell you how long it is up there for for every single item. I gave you reasons as to why I may undercut myself. That doesn't mean I do it every chance I get. Since you brought up the sale history tab, that doesn't quite put this situation into perspective. What if another player came and undercut this player? Why decrease the value of both entries when you could do it to just one, have the second player's item sell quick, leaving your own to be the two cheapest entries (or just the one) at a higher price.

It's easy to find out how long things stay on the market by checking the dates the items sold and the players they sold to. If an item's sale history is all (or mostly) that day, and the buyers are more than one or two people, it's pretty simple to figure out the item is selling regularly, and at that particular price range. It's really common sense stuff.

And there was no other person selling for less than them, the cheapest sale entry before that was 60k+.

(Though interestingly, a bunch sold for more gil than his cheapest one in the last 10 minutes.)

[Nuinn]

1. Item out of stock. One of my retainers selling it for 100k, another of my retainers selling it for 90k (the price I decide I'm ok with). Someone comes along, sees a 10k difference, panics and grabs the 90k item asap before it's gone!

2. Plenty of items on demand. One of my retainers selling it for 100k (next higher entry is perhaps 101k), another of my retainers selling it for 99,999. Someone comes along, grabs the lowest by impulse and perhaps the 100k too cause.... 1k for the next is still a 1k more. Leave it to their brain to do the "logic".

3. Of course, there's people who forget they've listed the same item on their other retainer (or even same retainer cause.... scrolling), only check the lowest current price and undercut (themselves) by reflex. Or.... they just don't care.

[Bixby]

3. Of course, there's people who forget they've listed the same item on their other retainer (or even same retainer cause.... scrolling), only check the lowest current price and undercut (themselves) by reflex. Or.... they just don't care.

^ I do that all the time when I'm in a hurry. If I've already got one whatsit up, and I'm just clearing inventory, I'll put another whatsit up for whatever the going rate is without worrying about changing the prices on the other ones. I can go through and "fix" everything later, right now I just don't want this Allagan Fish Toupee taking up room.

[Alukah]

Maybe it's not an undercut, when I know something listed for 50k will sell up to 60k, there are only a few listed and I'm going to list several stacks I tend to put different prices within the 50k-60k range, for no reason at all

[HakuroDK]

This same topic seems to come up once a week.

It's a Free Market. If you don't like the undercut, buy the undercut product and list it higher or move onto something else while the price normalizes.

[Charisma]

This same topic seems to come up once a week.

It's a Free Market. If you don't like the undercut, buy the undercut product and list it higher or move onto something else while the price normalizes.

This thread is not about undercutting itself, its about people who undercut themselves, even through it doesnt make any sense, no matter how hard they try to explain why.