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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Nothing, but I also know that a bunch of procs, secondary stats and weird bonuses doesn't necessarily make good itemization. They makes itemization complex and can unnecessarily obfuscate things.
    I agree that additional stats and procs can unnecessarily complicate things, however that doesn't necessarily mean they will either. In fact, there is no real way to know until we see those numbers; not that we ever will. Which means it is all theorcrafting.

    I am actually all for adding procs to weapons. I would love to see procs that further enhance the job's flavor. Maybe a proc for a WHM could be your heals have a % chance to refund some of the mana cost. One for a BLM could be your DD spells have a chance at launching an additional one or your firestarter procs have a chance to place a dot on the target for the damage it did. There are certainly a lot of possible options.

    Also, since you brought up the idea of set bonuses, this is something that I would like to see in the game. This was one of the things that I liked about gear in WoW. There was an additional reason to want to get the rest of the set of gear beyond the stats that were on it or the look of the gear.
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    Last edited by Deathscythe343; 11-27-2014 at 06:11 AM.

  2. #202
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    They have already said they are looking at unique and specific stats for armor come 3.0... leave the poor horse alone.

    Reddit: Yesterday you went over how you reworked the 1.0 stat system for ARR and you cut out a lot of stats in terms of game balance to make balance easier. Now that the team has had a little more experience and you have more data is there any plans on bringing back unique stats such as 'enhances skills' and things like that on gear?

    Yoshida: There is a chance we'll be doing that in the future. The reason being now that we have that simple base rather than a complex base, if you have a simple base then adding things on top of that is easy because that base is solid. It doesn't effect that base that much and you're not breaking balance by adding new things on top of that. Things we've heard a lot are that players want set bonuses for their gears and that would be one thing we would definitely think of doing. Or another type of armor where if you're wearing a certain piece armor your Spirits Within cool down timer cools down faster. Things like that. Definitely thinking of adding things like that and we know players want them. But when deciding whether to put something like that in or not it's about balance and whether this will break that balance or not. So we're very careful about adding parameters like that.
    http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...naoki_yoshida/
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    Last edited by MageBlack; 11-27-2014 at 06:25 AM.

  3. #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryel View Post
    This is incorrect actually, what FFXI offered (which was far from perfect mind you) was variety in content.

    Because gear progression was horizontal and equipment could be swapped in for various abilities etc during battle, content was relevant for much longer than it is here. You could arguably be doing Dynamis, CoP Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage, Einherjar, Nyzul Isle, Sky, Sea, HNMs, ZNMs, Campaign, and various small NMs for years because something there would still be usable (this was at 75 cap btw), and yes much of this content was added over YEARS of expansions (While ARR is only a little over a year old, FFXIV is going on 4+ years now)
    Sorry, but.. 1.0 XIV doesn't even remotely count. they had to rebuild everything. The current game has been out for 1 year. There have been no expansions yet. Pretty much every system has been redone and recoded from UI to GCD to skills, AI, graphics in general (landscape to character models), seemless world to instances, fates, DF, etc, etc and etc.

    All XI had from US launch was grind and more party grind. I should know I played it for about 7 years from US release. Each expansion broken with promises of getting better with all anyone could do was simply grind away the hours. Which, I actually had no issues with I happily ground away hours days weeks and years. In fact the reason I quit was for people problems, not the game itself. Though, them closing my server and moving me to one that was not the same as my wife was in fact the death knell for me.

    None of what you mentioned you could do in XI was there at US launch. None of it.. ell except for some NM's. You forgot the events, though. The events were really the only break with the grinding and even they could be a grind lol

    At the same point now that ARR is as to 1 year from XI US release, XIV is hands down the better game with more to do. at year 1 XI we still hadn't even reached end game yet. Mostly because at that point there still wasn't an end game because for the most part US players had not reached it yet. They were still leveling up their characters due to the slower party grind system not unlike the old EQ days.
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  4. #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhas View Post
    Sorry, but.. 1.0 XIV doesn't even remotely count. they had to rebuild everything. The current game has been out for 1 year. There have been no expansions yet. Pretty much every system has been redone and recoded from UI to GCD to skills, AI, graphics in general (landscape to character models), seemless world to instances, fates, DF, etc, etc and etc.

    All XI had from US launch was grind and more party grind. I should know I played it for about 7 years from US release. Each expansion broken with promises of getting better with all anyone could do was simply grind away the hours. Which, I actually had no issues with I happily ground away hours days weeks and years. In fact the reason I quit was for people problems, not the game itself. Though, them closing my server and moving me to one that was not the same as my wife was in fact the death knell for me.

    None of what you mentioned you could do in XI was there at US launch. None of it.. ell except for some NM's. You forgot the events, though. The events were really the only break with the grinding and even they could be a grind lol

    At the same point now that ARR is as to 1 year from XI US release, XIV is hands down the better game with more to do. at year 1 XI we still hadn't even reached end game yet. Mostly because at that point there still wasn't an end game because for the most part US players had not reached it yet. They were still leveling up their characters due to the slower party grind system not unlike the old EQ days.
    I believe in the very post you quoted i specifically mentioned that the variety of content i listed was added over a period of YEARS of expansions, actually yup just looked again it's even there in all caps.

    And no sorry even if the game has been mostly reworked, quite a lot of the content we have is still stuff that was leftover or already in development from 1.0 (See: Most primals, reworked dungeons, jobs/classes etc) Those playing around 1.23 essentially tested many of the systems that got refined in the transition to 2.0 (Like positional combos and the basis of the battle system)

    Nobody is asking for this game to match what other MMO's have had (and I'll say it again) YEARS to accomplish, However what they are saying is that they hope the trend changes in the future from the repetitive grind for Allagan Tomestones of Tradology each patch, tired and arbitrary lockouts, a completely vertical progression system devoid of stat choices (Choices we had in 1.0 mind you), and dungeons that are for most players already outdated (gear wise) the moment they are released.

    Bring back unique stat choices, bring back relevant crafted gear that allows us to truly customize it with Materia and don't make it slightly better than the gear from the previous patch, bring back content like Skirmish, or something crafters / gatherers can get involved in like Hamlet, even chocobo caravans are MIA, just don't feed us the same thing every other patch and call it new.

    Many that have posted in this thread already realize this stuff will take time, but we'd rather voice our opinions now so they know this going forward as opposed to saying nothing and them not knowing it's an issue.
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    Last edited by Ryel; 11-27-2014 at 12:34 PM.

  5. #205
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    Amen to this!
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  6. #206
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryel View Post
    Bring back unique stat choices, bring back relevant crafted gear that allows us to truly customize it with Materia and don't make it slightly better than the gear from the previous patch, bring back content like Skirmish, or something crafters / gatherers can get involved in like Hamlet, even chocobo caravans are MIA, just don't feed us the same thing every other patch and call it new.
    Problem is many things people are asking for are general ideas and stuff, but do not get the implications and realities of those additions. Unique stats can cause balance problems, relevant customizable left-side* crafted gear risks making dungeon rewards non-relevant, Skirmish is just another type of dungeon/trail, 2.35 introduced the Ixali Beast Tribe Quests for Crafters and Gatherers, Chocobo Caravans are pretty much escort Fates, and both The Hunt and Frontlines were added in 2.3.

    *Pentamelded i90 accessories are considered superior to tomestone/coil accessories by many hardcore players.
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    Last edited by Ultimatecalibur; 11-27-2014 at 06:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Problem is many things people are asking for are general ideas and stuff, but do not get the implications and realities of those additions. Unique stats can cause balance problems, relevant customizable left-side* crafted gear risks making dungeon rewards non-relevant, Skirmish is just another type of dungeon/trail, 2.35 introduced the Ixali Beast Tribe Quests for Crafters and Gatherers, Chocobo Caravans are pretty much escort Fates, and both The Hunt and Frontlines were added in 2.3.

    *Pentamelded i09 accessories are considered superior to tomestone/coil accessories by many hardcore players.
    Dungeon rewards are already non-relevant for everyone except those who have just recently started playing the game.
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  8. #208
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Problem is many things people are asking for are general ideas and stuff, but do not get the implications and realities of those additions. Unique stats can cause balance problems, relevant customizable left-side* crafted gear risks making dungeon rewards non-relevant, Skirmish is just another type of dungeon/trail, 2.35 introduced the Ixali Beast Tribe Quests for Crafters and Gatherers, Chocobo Caravans are pretty much escort Fates, and both The Hunt and Frontlines were added in 2.3.
    A select few pieces of left side are already considered BiS by some, nevermind the right side stuff. And dungeon gear is already irrelevant. The highest thing dropped in a dungeon is i90 gear that's nearly a year and a half old at this point. Now, dungeons also give tomes, which lead to i120/130 gear, but that's not really dungeon gear. Then you have ST gear, which is at this point only really worth it for alts. Dungeon gear is only really relevant for, like, third or fourth classes. And they keep adding in new gear that's 40 ilvl below the current max, which may as well be irrelevant gear.
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  9. #209
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Problem is many things people are asking for are general ideas and stuff, but do not get the implications and realities of those additions. Unique stats can cause balance problems, relevant customizable left-side* crafted gear risks making dungeon rewards non-relevant, Skirmish is just another type of dungeon/trail, 2.35 introduced the Ixali Beast Tribe Quests for Crafters and Gatherers, Chocobo Caravans are pretty much escort Fates, and both The Hunt and Frontlines were added in 2.3.

    *Pentamelded i09 accessories are considered superior to tomestone/coil accessories by many hardcore players.
    Dungeon gear is obsolete for most players the second it's released, due to often being 20-30 ilvls under current tomestone / ST gear, however they very well could keep it relevant by allowing it to be converted into Materia, i mean they could even take it a step further and make dungeon drops convert into unique Materia with stats that crafted gear doesn't convert into which would make it more desirable to collect.

    This wouldn't screw over dungeons OR crafted gear and would allow for a better balance of both.
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  10. #210
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prototype909 View Post
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    By dungeon gear I was referring to the fixed stat gear acquired from dungeons, raids, and purchased with currency such at Tomestones/Wolfmarks.

    Consider the stats of a HQ pentamelded i110 crafted piece now compare it to the stats of the 3 other i110 pieces available for that slot. The HQ pentamelded crafted piece is obviously superior considering it has 2 capped Secondaries and a third at 2/3 cap. If i130 crafted gear had been introduced in 2.4 there would be very little mechanical reason to go after the Augmented Ironworks or Dreadwyrm gear.
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