SE enough of the treadmill, please make the game more interesting!

[Kallera]

How are you defining relevant? Anything that helps a player qualify for current content (Slowcloak/Sastasha/Qarn have an i80 requirement; ST has a i70) is still relevant as far as I'm concerned. It may not be relevant for all players as gear, but why should it be?



No, we'd just point out that older MMOs were grindy too, and perhaps you should wipe the rose color off of your glasses.

Funny how you mention that, I had no need imposed by the game to get specific items as a thf or DNC. I didn't get locked out at all in older mmos. I did it to be more of a help to players I was having fun with. Not as a game requirement, and not for a fleeting measure that gets overwritten in short order. Here, not only does the game prohibit you from activities, the players do as well.

Ask this what do I gain from clearing this content that is lasting?

[Teryaani]

Funny how you mention that, I had no need imposed by the game to get specific items as a thf or DNC. I didn't get locked out at all in older mmos. I did it to be more of a help to players I was having fun with. Not as a game requirement, and not for a fleeting measure that gets overwritten in short order. Here, not only does the game prohibit you from activities, the players do as well.

What is this responding to? I'm not sure you're reading was said.

Nalien is stating that the gear in older dungeons is no longer relevant. As in, it serves no purpose for continuing forward in the end-game content. I responded that it is relevant as it helps players qualify for current end-game content (current dungeons and current entry raid). You don't need any of it. There are other paths to the same result outside of those dungeons. The game doesn't force you into those dungeons and it doesn't stop you from playing if you chose not to.

[Kallera]

What is this responding to? I'm not sure you're reading was said.

Nalien is stating that the gear in older dungeons is no longer relevant. As in, it serves no purpose for continuing forward in the end-game content. I responded that it is relevant as it helps players qualify for current end-game content (current dungeons and current entry raid). You don't need any of it. There are other paths to the same result outside of those dungeons. The game doesn't force you into those dungeons and it doesn't stop you from playing if you chose not to.

I certainly didn't need those dungeons on nin, a few runs to st solved that.
But let's say you cleared endgame tomorrow. The bosses roll over and die for you and you friends. Then what? Did you gain anything you didn't gain when you cleared coil the first time? Will you not still be in the same hole and out of the same parties once the next update hits?

[Teryaani]

Edit: Ha! you added to your post. That explains it.

I certainly didn't need those dungeons on nin, a few runs to st solved that.
But let's say you cleared endgame tomorrow. The bosses roll over and die for you and you friends. Then what? Did you gain anything you didn't gain when you cleared coil the first time? Will you not still be in the same hole and out of the same parties once the next update hits?

You didn't, but a player maining ninja would. If you have the ability to run ST on a relatively geared monk (ideal as they share ST gear and you can need on the drops), then you can gear NIN quickly. But new players can't do that. I've been able to leverage an existing 50 to get gear for my alternate classes, this applies to the experience of a character without that luxury. That's who square has to plan for. So that gear is absolutely still relevant. Not for you or I necessarily, but definitely for a fresh 50.

To your endgame comment, No, you aren't in the same hole. Assuming you've farmed that content for gear, you are already positioned for the new content. Any players coming up the gear ladder have a slog in front of them that you don't. That's what keeps progression players farming the content.

[Kallera]

Snip.

Ok, Well unfortunately I not only don't have a progression static, I am also not new to the game. So if those bosses did get cleared tomorrow I would be facing another slog. It is why I gave up crafting and gathering. Only now it doesn't matter what I do, it will be hours upon hours of bad dice rolls, like how atma's been going.

So I am also tired of the gear treadmill, I just don't see the point for a player that is not in a static.

[Teryaani]

Ok, Well unfortunately I not only don't have a progression static, I am also not new to the game. So if those bosses did get cleared tomorrow I would be facing another slog. It is why I gave up crafting and gathering. Only now it doesn't matter what I do, it will be hours upon hours of bad dice rolls, like how atma's been going.

So I am also tired of the gear treadmill, I just don't see the point for a player that is not in a static.

Then don't do it. SE includes a catchup mechanism every few patches. So if something is released in a later patch that you do want to run, you can get yourself geared enough to do it. I'm not in a progression team. Check my achieves, I stopped coil after turn 4 (group fell apart and there was so much else to do, I didn't hunt for a new one). I certainly don't cap every week either.

Step away from gearing and do something else in game, RP, level a different class if you've got any under 50, farm for minions, and if nothing else interests you at that moment, do something else altogether.