Wolves Den !

[Atreus]

No, actually. And I'm not seeing it on my Duty Finder, either. Just the same old Lv30, Lv40, Matched and Pre-made options. No sign of a i80 sync in any of them. Was there a quest to unlock it or something?

Go to Wolves' Den Pier and talk to the roegadyn behind the main desk. It is not a quest. It will just flag upon talking.

I'm neither. Lore doesn't make me enjoy Frontlines, running into the same people (from other servers) does. That's made possible by having static teams. Give me the same Fangs verses Claws thing and that falls away completely. When I kill and Manderville a Flames healer, I don't really want them ending up on my team for the next round. Partly because I Manderville'd them, but mostly because I killed them so I assume they suck. I'd rather have the same healer I just had who's name I recognize instantly at the start of every match because we're always on the same team because teams are tied to Grand Companies.

I don't know how it goes on Primal but all I hear on these forums is about Maelstrom "supremacy" there. I see you're a Storm. And I now see you're trying to protect that lol, cool ulterior motives brobeans.

[Atreus]

1) That's like saying, let's add a problem... then add something else to make it less of a problem.

2) Except that's never going to happen. 4 on 4 is more appealing to a smaller, more hardcore PvP sect. Even if Wolves' Den became more worthwhile in EXP and marks than Frontlines, all you're going to get are groups wintrading and going back into Frontline. As you had to have clearly seen these last two patches, larger scale PvP is more appealing to the masses.

3) I don't get it, you don't want it to change, but you think GC's shouldn't be a thing? What are you talking about?

[Nalien]

1) If you want to look at it that simply, sure. The point of brackets is that they're a better solution to matching players up than the current Rank matching. Matching players up based on iLevel provides a more balanced playing field, that's exactly why Frontlines has an i80 cap, doing the same for Wolves' Den allows them to maintain match balance without splitting players up based on Rank. A Rank 45 in full liege could enter the i55 bracket and they'd be no better than anyone else in i55. The alternative is just having no system in place to balance the matches, and when someone in i110 enters Wolves' Den and gets crushed by someone in full liege, they simply don't queue again (pretty much the same issue Wolves' Den originally had). That or they just do away with the idea of progression in PvP, like I said originally. Have a single iLevel cap on Wolves' Den like Frontlines, make Rank purely a Title grind, and PvP gear purely vanity. That works too, I just think it's a boring alternative.

3) Not sure where you read that I think Grand Companies shouldn't be a thing. They should, Yoshida should just take a leaf out of XIs book and give us a Conquest style system so Grand Company verses Grand Company has actual weight behind it, rather than being a novelty. Right now it's just a novelty, I happen to enjoy aspects of it, but I fully understand why people dislike it given its effect on queues. Still, I'd rather them put some actual weight behind the concept than just do away with it. Long standing faction verses faction rivalries in a MMO tend to lean towards the sandbox style of content and can keep players interested regardless of new content (where as theme part content relies on constant new content), something this game currently lacks outside vanity. Given the rate of PvP content we actually get, they really should opt for sandbox style content over theme park.

[Atreus]

Huge difference between being curious about GC affiliation and scouring for gear, mounts, and achievements to berate them for it. I'm pretty sure I didn't do the latter dewd. =|

Again; this wouldn't even be a thing if it was another case of Claws verses Fangs. It's a part of Frontlines I really enjoy, and I'd hate to lose it.

Sure it would. The good will win, the bad will lose. Players got plenty of notoriety in Wolves' Den when it was more active. More premades will rise up and do the same.

[kensatsu]

i am on chaos and at twin adder it's the same every GC win but it's true maelstrom is often good in strategy, Maelstrom is using often other strategy than the basic one: focus on mid, camp on market and temple.
Them often zerg OP, it just mean some guys from maelstrom is more organized, other fact is also Sch and War is OP and the main Limsa Lominsa Job is actualy Sch and War, Smn and also Ninja now^^. Take a flag with a lot of Sch can be hard and it happen often Maelstorm have 2 or 3 sch on a flag

Let's not forget it's a wolfden topic , I also think the rank restriction on wolfden should be removed, especialy and at least on the i80 synced one !, please SE do something

[Barboron]

There's a few things they could do to fix this (at least I would imagine), have an "Unranked" Wolves Den arena which, regardless of your rank, PvP skills are not used. Yes, it goes against PvP but higher rank means access to more skills. Would also need an ilvl sync, i110 seems more than appropriate as i110 gear is no longer gated on a weekly cap. And someone at rank 45 has access to the same skills at rank 1.

Or, have a rank sync. This might be awkward as the game will have to either lock certain PvP skills or upgrades behind ranks so when you sync, it removes actions or upgrades that outrank the sync. Or do it by the earliest skills you purchase. Although then again, you have 60 seconds in the cage to prepare skills so they could let you organise your skills in that time and sync the available number of PvP skill points to the synced rank.
What they sync the rank to is up to them. Could either be that of the person with the lowest rank or round it up to the nearest value of 10 from the person with the lowest rank. Either way, Wolves' Den is just not being maintained like it deserves.

[Blubbers]

"Unranked" Wolves Den arena ... Or, have a rank sync.

I see where you're going with this, but I think adding additional match types will just make the queues worse. Syncing ranks will get really confusing, and while having upgraded skills helps, player skill has a much bigger impact on the outcome of the fight than whether skills are leveled up.

I think they should remove lvl 30/40 pvp, they don't really serve a purpose anymore. You get less wolf marks, you have access to fewer skills, pvp vets have a huge advantage because you can min/max melding gear, and it just adds 2 more brackets which people queue for which spreads the queues thin. The main reason people queue for it now is they don't want to go straight into the uncapped lvl 50 matches with no gear.

They need to make the guy who unlocks i80 synced den actually have a marker on his head so people know it exists! That is the bracket people should go to when they are starting out, i80 is extremely easy to obtain but currently nobody ever queues for it because no one knows about it. It would be a great place for people to train for the uncapped lvl 50 bracket. You actually have access to all your skills and it gives you a non-frontlines venue for ranking up and building up a supply of wolf marks for necessary gear.

Making these changes, in addition to some "adventurer in need" bonus as we discussed earlier would go a long way to reviving wolves den. I know in the last live letter they mentioned making changes so I'm hoping they do something like this.

[Pibz]

There's a few things they could do to fix this (at least I would imagine), have an "Unranked" Wolves Den arena which, regardless of your rank, PvP skills are not used. Yes, it goes against PvP but higher rank means access to more skills. Would also need an ilvl sync, i110 seems more than appropriate as i110 gear is no longer gated on a weekly cap. And someone at rank 45 has access to the same skills at rank 1. snip

The ilvl sync is more than enough.
Also everyone gets all the skills for free (ALL of them) all you can do is upgrade with rank points. The first 20-30 ranks are also super fast to get, even the higher ones don't take that long nowadays, so i dunno how having maybe 3 more skill upgrades than someone creates a need for a sync...

[AstralKaos]

Remove it.

Anything to get WD more active, even if it just brings it a bit closer to the activity FL gets, it will still be leagues better than what we have now.

[Kuwagami]

have you ever considered that mayyyybe people don't do WD anymore because it's not really funny ?

I mean, we did some FC fights for the fun, and that was quite a good enjoyment, but really... Queue alone, and it will just be a healer zerg. No fun, long queues for no gameplay or no time in the arena. You're out before even starting to enjoy it.


And well, when something isn't fun anymore, people stop queueing for it (just like AV as an example).

But do not worry, they said they're considering implementing a PvP roulette. If rewards are appealing enough, people will come again.