Wolves Den !

[Atreus]

1) I mean... I intend no offense, but you know there's already an i80 bracket for Wolves' Den right? It hasn't helped. I see what you're trying to accomplish, but you're trying to tackle an issue of people not being interested in Wolves' Den with an irrelevant solution.

3)

People generally join a team for a reason, and Grand Companies in Frontlines have no reason.

That, but now that I see what you mean... What kind of weight would you expect? Something that bleeds into PvE? Definitely not. Buffs or detriments that affect the winners or losers in PvP? ... lol no. People are still going to be interested in FL, but frankly, most people care more about their FCs than their GCs. The only people who care for the GC restriction are either lore crazed or have few to no friends in other GC's.

[Nalien]

I mean... I intend no offense, but you know there's already an i80 bracket for Wolves' Den right?

No, actually. And I'm not seeing it on my Duty Finder, either. Just the same old Lv30, Lv40, Matched and Pre-made options. No sign of a i80 sync in any of them. Was there a quest to unlock it or something?

What kind of weight would you expect? Something that bleeds into PvE? Definitely not.

Why not? Such a thing doesn't have to be limited to PvP. Final Fantasy XI didn't involve PvP in its rankings at all if I remember correctly, it was mainly just "Who grinded the most seals?", the results of Frontlines matches could just be a part of it.

The only people who care for the GC restriction are either lore crazed or have few to no friends in other GC's.

I'm neither. Lore doesn't make me enjoy Frontlines, running into the same people (from other servers) does. That's made possible by having static teams. Give me the same Fangs verses Claws thing and that falls away completely. When I kill and Manderville a Flames healer, I don't really want them ending up on my team for the next round. Partly because I Manderville'd them, but mostly because I killed them so I assume they suck. I'd rather have the same healer I just had who's name I recognize instantly at the start of every match because we're always on the same team because teams are tied to Grand Companies.

I see what you're trying to accomplish, but you're trying to tackle an issue of people not being interested in Wolves' Den with an irrelevant solution.

The only part of my suggestion which aimed to get people interested in Wolves' Den was the Roulette part. The rest was just for maintaining balanced matches rather than throwing players against each other randomly (which Rank matching currently does a terrible job of). If there's already an i80 bracket then fair enough, rather than a i55/i70/i90/i100/i110 Roulette we can have a Lv30/Lv40/i80 Roulette, though I do abhor any level capped situation in this game.

[Atreus]

No, actually. And I'm not seeing it on my Duty Finder, either. Just the same old Lv30, Lv40, Matched and Pre-made options. No sign of a i80 sync in any of them. Was there a quest to unlock it or something?

Go to Wolves' Den Pier and talk to the roegadyn behind the main desk. It is not a quest. It will just flag upon talking.

I'm neither. Lore doesn't make me enjoy Frontlines, running into the same people (from other servers) does. That's made possible by having static teams. Give me the same Fangs verses Claws thing and that falls away completely. When I kill and Manderville a Flames healer, I don't really want them ending up on my team for the next round. Partly because I Manderville'd them, but mostly because I killed them so I assume they suck. I'd rather have the same healer I just had who's name I recognize instantly at the start of every match because we're always on the same team because teams are tied to Grand Companies.

I don't know how it goes on Primal but all I hear on these forums is about Maelstrom "supremacy" there. I see you're a Storm. And I now see you're trying to protect that lol, cool ulterior motives brobeans.

[Nalien]

Go to Wolves' Den Pier and talk to the roegadyn behind the main desk. It is not a quest. It will just flag upon talking.

They really should give him a quest flag for that...

I don't know how it goes on Primal but all I hear on these forums is about Maelstrom "supremacy" there. I see you're a Storm. And I now see you're trying to protect that lol, cool ulterior motives brobeans.

Actually I'm in Twin Adder. Was on Primal for a bit too, Chaos seems exactly the same, there is no "supremacy", all the Grand Companies win, and all the Grand Companies lose. Sometimes Maelstrom gets a winning streak, other times Flames do. The only difference I see between them is that people in Maelstrom like to parrot "MAELSTRONG" over and over. It's actually quite funny to come out of your third match and third win of the day to see people in Maestrom shouting it. Again; this wouldn't even be a thing if it was another case of Claws verses Fangs. It's a part of Frontlines I really enjoy, and I'd hate to lose it.

Why does every "debate" on these forums always devolve into "I'm going to look up your account"? =/

[Atreus]

Huge difference between being curious about GC affiliation and scouring for gear, mounts, and achievements to berate them for it. I'm pretty sure I didn't do the latter dewd. =|

Again; this wouldn't even be a thing if it was another case of Claws verses Fangs. It's a part of Frontlines I really enjoy, and I'd hate to lose it.

Sure it would. The good will win, the bad will lose. Players got plenty of notoriety in Wolves' Den when it was more active. More premades will rise up and do the same.

[kensatsu]

i am on chaos and at twin adder it's the same every GC win but it's true maelstrom is often good in strategy, Maelstrom is using often other strategy than the basic one: focus on mid, camp on market and temple.
Them often zerg OP, it just mean some guys from maelstrom is more organized, other fact is also Sch and War is OP and the main Limsa Lominsa Job is actualy Sch and War, Smn and also Ninja now^^. Take a flag with a lot of Sch can be hard and it happen often Maelstorm have 2 or 3 sch on a flag

Let's not forget it's a wolfden topic , I also think the rank restriction on wolfden should be removed, especialy and at least on the i80 synced one !, please SE do something

[Pibz]

there is no "supremacy", all the Grand Companies win, and all the Grand Companies lose. Sometimes Maelstrom gets a winning streak, other times Flames do. The only difference I see between them is that people in Maelstrom like to parrot "MAELSTRONG" over and over. It's actually quite funny to come out of your third match and third win of the day to see people in Maestrom shouting it. Again; this wouldn't even be a thing if it was another case of Claws verses Fangs. It's a part of Frontlines I really enjoy, and I'd hate to lose it.

Here we go, this the best argument people defending GC restrictions can come up with, besides lolLore argument.

How can anyone reason that having people derptalking about their gc like "LOL MAELSTRONK HAHAH" is a reason for having even 1 freaking minute, and sadly the effect is usually a lot larger than that, longer on the queues?!
This is not gameplay relevant and this is not an argument.

Also huge discrepancies exist on winrates across datacenters for each gc, with maelstrom taking the 1st place in most dcs, with huge gaps too. And they are right on the lodestone for everyone to see.

PvP systems need to focus on assuring the basic functions are met first and foremost- quick queues and balanced and fun gameplay
Gc restrictions on the other hand contribute negatively to all of those basic functions therefore it has to go, and unless someone can actually argue against this sorry but don't bother responding.

Also the answer as to why they don't bother much with what we say about Wolves' Den and pvp in general has been given by this guy

I assume den works on japanese servers, which is why there is no change for us.

Sad but real truth. Their queues, for example, work (much better than for US/EU at least) because the interest is that much bigger in their servers and since they are the number 1 market/priority, things don't change.. hell we don't even get answers/comments on our threads..

As for the whole rank matchmatching thing, yeah it makes no sense right now, it made some sense when the Den was somewhat active, now you can barely get a match.. just needs to go, it's specially absurd for the i80sync matches, ridiculous even..

[SeleniaArgon]

The real problem for the PvP of FF is that the community is not manifest enough ... In PvE things change as people slows and expressed ...
If more people gave their opinion, express their wishes. Maybe that Square Enix would move a little more for PvP ...

This game need ranked arena , remove rank restriction... some more PvP area's for front and wolves den... and will be perfect .


I think in my case, enough to open my mouth all over the forum to move the PvP in this game ...



Sieghilde Schtauffen

[Barboron]

There's a few things they could do to fix this (at least I would imagine), have an "Unranked" Wolves Den arena which, regardless of your rank, PvP skills are not used. Yes, it goes against PvP but higher rank means access to more skills. Would also need an ilvl sync, i110 seems more than appropriate as i110 gear is no longer gated on a weekly cap. And someone at rank 45 has access to the same skills at rank 1.

Or, have a rank sync. This might be awkward as the game will have to either lock certain PvP skills or upgrades behind ranks so when you sync, it removes actions or upgrades that outrank the sync. Or do it by the earliest skills you purchase. Although then again, you have 60 seconds in the cage to prepare skills so they could let you organise your skills in that time and sync the available number of PvP skill points to the synced rank.
What they sync the rank to is up to them. Could either be that of the person with the lowest rank or round it up to the nearest value of 10 from the person with the lowest rank. Either way, Wolves' Den is just not being maintained like it deserves.

[Blubbers]

"Unranked" Wolves Den arena ... Or, have a rank sync.

I see where you're going with this, but I think adding additional match types will just make the queues worse. Syncing ranks will get really confusing, and while having upgraded skills helps, player skill has a much bigger impact on the outcome of the fight than whether skills are leveled up.

I think they should remove lvl 30/40 pvp, they don't really serve a purpose anymore. You get less wolf marks, you have access to fewer skills, pvp vets have a huge advantage because you can min/max melding gear, and it just adds 2 more brackets which people queue for which spreads the queues thin. The main reason people queue for it now is they don't want to go straight into the uncapped lvl 50 matches with no gear.

They need to make the guy who unlocks i80 synced den actually have a marker on his head so people know it exists! That is the bracket people should go to when they are starting out, i80 is extremely easy to obtain but currently nobody ever queues for it because no one knows about it. It would be a great place for people to train for the uncapped lvl 50 bracket. You actually have access to all your skills and it gives you a non-frontlines venue for ranking up and building up a supply of wolf marks for necessary gear.

Making these changes, in addition to some "adventurer in need" bonus as we discussed earlier would go a long way to reviving wolves den. I know in the last live letter they mentioned making changes so I'm hoping they do something like this.