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    Leo_Hart's Avatar
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    Aranea Asmodai
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    Gear > individual skill and coordination

    Just gonna point at the DPS mains that can deal anywhere from 200 DPS (if bad) to 400+ if they know what they're doing, on the same gear setup.
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    Alvis Yune
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trixxy View Post
    Gear > individual skill and coordination

    Just gonna point at the DPS mains that can deal anywhere from 200 DPS (if bad) to 400+ if they know what they're doing, on the same gear setup.
    I think you mean <

    But yes. Given T13 was beaten in about a two week period, it's pretty clear that its hypertuning is aimed centrally at 2.3 gear levels; gathering Poetics and Dreadwyrm gear will help loosen how perfect players have to do in order to survive/meet deeps checks/etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trixxy View Post
    Gear > individual skill and coordination

    Just gonna point at the DPS mains that can deal anywhere from 200 DPS (if bad) to 400+ if they know what they're doing, on the same gear setup.
    I still can't beat Turn 5 with average item level of 100+.
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    Rhas Itiron
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldreactive View Post
    I still can't beat Turn 5 with average item level of 100+.
    While I beat it in i91 gear without dying once on the run we cleared it. Learning the mechanics... ftw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhas View Post
    While I beat it in i91 gear without dying once on the run we cleared it. Learning the mechanics... ftw.
    I read a guide for turn 5, watched two videos... forgot almost all the fight in a day. No joke either. After beating Garuda EX a week ago, I don't remember her fight at all. I won't be able to do my novus stuff either anytime soon, will need to grind the heck out of gil... since I can't tank, will be a bit hard. Can't craft, (Don't want to macro either, so HQ isn't really a possibility) FC isn't good with crafting, etc. Will be moving to Mateus, likely search for an FC when that occurs.
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    Last edited by coldreactive; 11-21-2014 at 05:28 AM.

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    Rhas Itiron
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldreactive View Post
    I read a guide for turn 5, watched two videos... forgot almost all the fight in a day. No joke either. After beating Garuda EX a week ago, I don't remember her fight at all. I won't be able to do my novus stuff either anytime soon, will need to grind the heck out of gil... since I can't tank, will be a bit hard. Can't craft, (Don't want to macro either, so HQ isn't really a possibility) FC isn't good with crafting, etc. Will be moving to Mateus, likely search for an FC when that occurs.
    I never read any guides, nor watched any videos on turn 5. I learn by doing and improving myself by actually doing the content. When I beat it, I still had my unupgraded uat on my then main, my blm.

    What does player skill have to do with novus... or grinding gil... or not being able to tank... or even crafting (I craft everything important by hand, btw, not with macros, the only thing I even use macros for is when I'm putting out HQ lowbie stuff to sell on the market)... When I beat garuda EX the first time I was on my barely met requirement job... a whm no less lol

    You can't really get carried so much being a healer doing harder (EX+) content. Again, its about player skill. Not whatever you trying editing your post into. Which really doesn't make any sense to me.
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    Last edited by Rhas; 11-21-2014 at 05:45 AM.

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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Hart View Post
    Because requiring T13 quality gear to clear T13 would have made ... sense?
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    Alukah Bast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    Because requiring T13 quality gear to clear T13 would have made ... sense?
    Many assumed T3 would require T10-12 gear to be able to clear it, but this video shows it can be done in pre-2.4 gear.

    Hell, I remember in the fanfest they said pre-2.4 gear would only let you clear T10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukah View Post
    Many assumed T3 would require T10-12 gear to be able to clear it, but this video shows it can be done in pre-2.4 gear.

    Hell, I remember in the fanfest they said pre-2.4 gear would only let you clear T10.
    That would you force you to be at the mercy of RNg to progress, and thats the epitome of bad Raid Design.
    No one wants to be in a situation where you have to tell your raid "Sorry guys, we can't progress until T10 and T11 drop any healer gear at all. So we're just put this on farm until we luck out and get some healer gear"

    Really, the clearing group would have had some T10/11 drops fully melded crafted accessories, the very best and most perfected rotations for DPS etc, basically the very very bleeding edge of progression guys. The kind of people who live and breathe finding ways to add an extra 0.1% DPS.
    Take a group of regular people and you wont be able to do that.
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