DF withdrawl has become the new "Fatigue" system

[EricCartmenez]

Wait, what? The penalty is only 30 minutes? I thought if they got 3 strikes, they were basically banned from DF for 24 hours. If that's the case, I don't know what to think about it. On the one hand, that is not nearly as harsh as I thought it was. But on the other hand, it just highlights what a microscopic impact this has on anything at all.

No, it's a 30 min wait. I know, because this happened to one of our FC mates who wasn't paying attention to his queues while he leveled a PUG/MNK. The reset happens at a certain time every day or after you miss 3 queues. So you wait 30 mins and you can miss 3 more queues or if you time it right, you can miss 6. This is not the BFD everyone is making it out to be.

[Ashkendor]

Wait, what? The penalty is only 30 minutes? I thought if they got 3 strikes, they were basically banned from DF for 24 hours. If that's the case, I don't know what to think about it. On the one hand, that is not nearly as harsh as I thought it was. But on the other hand, it just highlights what a microscopic impact this has on anything at all.

No, you are only locked out from the DF for 30 minutes. Your 3 strikes reset every game day, though.

No, it's a 30 min wait. I know, because this happened to one of our FC mates who wasn't paying attention to his queues while he leveled a PUG/MNK. The reset happens at a certain time every day or after you miss 3 queues. So you wait 30 mins and you can miss 3 more queues or if you time it right, you can miss 6. This is not the BFD everyone is making it out to be.

It doesn't reset after you miss 3 queues. Each successive miss results in a 30 minute penalty.

[Laraul]

The incident that disturbed me was when I queued as PLD, saw a hunt near by, switched to BRD to participate and shortly after engaging the duty finder window popped. But I couldn't click in because I was the wrong class and it wouldn't let me change back. I kept moving farther and farther from the battle but it simply would not let me change back to PLD. Finally with two seconds to spare, it let me change back and I clicked in. But the whole experience was beyond agitating.

If I had been in a party, everyone would have suffered for my mistake. Why should my actions impact others in such a negative way?

If the purpose is to stop "trolls" then why is it just three a day? Why not something like ten a day? Ten is high enough that it would impact abusers but not impact normal players. Three is just too little.

[NyarukoW]

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saw a hunt near by, switched to BRD to participate ...
If I had been in a party, everyone would have suffered for my mistake. Why should my actions impact others in such a negative way?
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What are you doing trying to do hunts while waiting on the queue? You can not get full credit by yourself solo. This just a made up case. And if you are in a hunt party, you will not be queuing on the DF. This is nonsense, and you queue everyone if your hunt party on the DF, you are trolling them, and they will get mad at you.

[Ashkendor]

If the purpose is to stop "trolls" then why is it just three a day? Why not something like ten a day? Ten is high enough that it would impact abusers but not impact normal players. Three is just too little.

The purpose was to speed up the queue. That means cutting down on in-progress fishing, trolling, and timing out.

You made it into your duty, so what's the problem?

What are you doing trying to do hunts while waiting on the queue? You can not get full credit by yourself solo. This just a made up case. And if you are in a hunt party, you will not be queuing on the DF. This is nonsense, and you queue everyone if your hunt party on the DF, you are trolling them, and they will get mad at you.

These days you actually can get full credit without a party or in a smaller party. Hunts aren't nearly as overrun as they were before. I'm not really sure why she would've switch to BRD to participate though, since a PLD stands a much better chance of getting full credit at a hunt mark while solo.

That may very well be true. But doing so is being greedy and risking not only a strike for missing the queue, but also devaluing the other players on the DF and taking them for granted and expecting them to wait. There are things one should avoid doing while waiting on the DF. Hunts should be one of them. Because to get full credit with a small group the hunt will not die in 45 seconds or less, and if does die quickly, then there are too many other players and it is not worth risking a strike for 2 to 5 allied seals. Insisting on doing so is insisting on being selfish and inconsiderate.

Lol? Let's get something straight here. I stated that you can do the hunt in a small party or solo and still get full credit, not that there aren't other people there to share in the kill. Since you're trying to put meaning on my words that wasn't there, let me spell it out very very simply: I've gone to plenty of hunts solo or in a 2-3 person party in the past few days with other people that are not in my party also fighting the mob still managed to get full credit. The mobs still die really really fast, leaving me plenty of time to join the queue.

I still don't know why you'd switch to BRD when PLD stands a much better chance of getting full credit.

[Delorean]

But as for contributing nothing to a group...uhhh, I'd think holding hate and positioning the mobs so the paper thin DPS can do their jobs is a pretty hefty contribution.

Anyone can do that.

Oh look at me, I have a huge threat modifier and just hit AEs and keep threat then stand there like a nod on a log. Tanking is the most braindead, uninvolved role in the game.

This is why people play tanks for a little bit, then they go back to DPS or healing or whatever - because unlike tanking, these roles provide opportunities to capitalize on and an element of surprise.

It's really hard to effectively describe contribution... Like, I play my Tank. I have like 100ish full party duties complete and completed the First Binding Coil of Bahamut while it was current (honestly turn 5 probably accounts for a quarter of my full party duties). I have participated in many speedruns and etc... But whenever I get in a DF group I'm very confident that I am a better dps than whoever I would get while I am tanking, so I prefer to just join roulette as DPS a lot.

I don't want to play my tank in roulette, because anyone can do what I do as a tank. I cannot do my job much better in a way that will make a world of difference as a tank, but I can as a DPS.

That is what I mean when I say that. It is not hard to play a tank and it is not rewarding enough to play one.

No small amount of gil will motivate me to do anything... Small sums of money are worthless in this game. Poetics bonus? GG that's only a few less dungeons I'll have to run this week. I actually wonder why the Soldiery bonuses are offered to DPS players when they disappear for tanks after one completed duty

it's because of things like that, that you end up in praetorium with a party full of people who have already completed it

[NyarukoW]

...These days you actually can get full credit without a party or in a smaller party. Hunts aren't nearly as overrun as they were before. .....

That may very well be true. But doing so is being greedy and risking not only a strike for missing the queue, but also devaluing the other players on the DF and taking them for granted and expecting them to wait. There are things one should avoid doing while waiting on the DF. Hunts should be one of them. Because to get full credit with a small group the hunt will not die in 45 seconds or less, and if does die quickly, then there are too many other players and it is not worth risking a strike for 2 to 5 allied seals. Insisting on doing so is insisting on being selfish and inconsiderate.

[Shori]

To address OP's original comparison... no, they are no where near the same. One encouraged you to spend time doing something else, the other punishes you for wasting other player's time (and has nothing to do with the class you're playing).
If you get locke dout of duty finder you still have many other things to be doing.

[Kaze3434]

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i am reminded of this
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[Welsper59]

This, along with many other complaints about restrictions or "punishment" for doing something, all sums up to taking some damn responsibility for your decisions and choices. How is it unreasonable to expect someone (or a group) to commit to a queue at least once in a span of 3 attempts? Even if they don't, it is a temporary penalty that isn't very long. If that short penalty is a problem, perhaps their choice to not be ready is something they shouldn't take as lightly as their peers? Just a thought.