If DRG does in fact get a buff...

[whiskeybravo]

i feel like increasing their damage to match nin/mnk and increasing their mdef/survivability to match is a good first step, but probably not really enough. if the dps is homogenized, then what drg has to stand out is being the best at melee aoe and slightly better than nin at burst. seeing as how SE will most likely not add a brand new skill, they'd probably have to do something gimmicky to add a good reason to take a drg over nin/mnk utility. it'd probably be something dumb like adding 5% str/int down to jump/spineshatter with 5s-10s duration lol

In my honest opinion, DRG should've got the the vulnerability up debuff from NIN. I know it's a neat, new ability, to me it just makes more sense for a DRG to have something like it. We are already disemboweling and phlebotomizing things, let's split them open and help the group as a whole do more damage. I'm sure all ninjas will rip me but that's just my thought.

[Verus]

What i would like to see would be a second effect applied to disembowel for their utility, similar to Dragon Kick and Dancing Edge/Storms Eye.
DK lowers INT and DE/SE lowers healing received (admittedly useless in PVE though), so it feels kinda weird that disembowel is the only one that doesnt have something like this.

If i could dream it would be a damage reduce -5% debuff similar to storms path, which would do a lot to make DRG wanted in raid groups, even if their dps wouldnt change much. I mean from a flavor perspective they are the tanky melee so it would fit if they would do something defensively for the group imo.

Something like this would be interesting. I've always thought it weird that our only way to reduce magic damage is in pvp with Skewer. If we had that extra effect on disembowel or skewer equivalent we'd be a much bigger asset.

[Cyfer]

Good points are made on both sides, it's long been acknowledged that the best monk is going to out dps the best dragoon by 8-10%, or 40-50 DPS at 110 item level.

I truly agree with you.

But Verus implied that 40-50 dps behind is just a little gap.
Assuming that it is a 12 minute fight, given that DRG and MNK performed equally well DRG is at least 28k damage output behind compared to MNK. Is the gap little? No, given that we already have lower survivability and less to none utility.

My opinion in buffing DRG is that either SE buff DRG into a glass cannon dps (Low mdef and utilily but higher dps output) or provide more utility to DRG.

[HulveinBlitz]

But we all know the buff SE speak of doing, probably won't be potency.

I can almost see it simply being a buff to mdef. I wouldn't be surprised.

Would you?

[Daweism]

But we all know the buff SE speak of doing, probably won't be potency.

I can almost see it simply being a buff to mdef. I wouldn't be surprised.

Would you?

Definitely not, it would have been done already if it were that simple. For sure a DPS buff as well as Magic Defense, or else the outrage will be tremendous.

[siverstorm]

Honestly, they could make it a super tiny mdef buff and boost our damage. I'm fine with being the dps that takes extra damage from magic they just need to bump us to the point where the risk/reward is worth it. We can be "glass cannons" we're just lacking in the "cannon" part when we're compared to mnk/nin of equal gear and skill.

[mero-ix]

In addition, it feels very ignorant to complain about most DRGs having bad damage when 90% or more of the player base are terrible at the class.

I'm sorry Verus, but I have to disagree somewhat. Yes, there are a lot of DRGs that don't play optimally and are pretty bad at their job, but even the well-played DRGs are sub-par in damage compared to a MNK without crafted gear. It's unfair to assume everyone can afford to have pentamelded gear and that they're a bad player if they don't have it.

You know me, and I would hope you don't think I'm a terrible player. I love playing DRG and it's been my main for over a year. On a dummy with no party/food buff in i110 gear with Nexus (no shiva bracelet or crafted) I can only push 465-470 dps tops @ 3:00 mins, whereas on my i110 MNK with HA claws (and randomly thrown together gear that's whatever I have because I don't ever play my MNK) I can do 490 dps and I don't even know what I'm doing and am a terrible MNK. Yet I can easily out dps my main class.

But in an actual fight with mechanics that number drops quite a bit. Comparing equally skilled and geared players, a MNK is going to out-dps a DRG by a fair amount. And that shouldn't be the case. I ended up switching to BRD for Final Coil because that's what was needed of me and I have no regrets whatsoever. At least I feel useful. I've never done T10 on DRG but I doubt I'd have much higher than 400 dps if even that, whereas on BRD I have 360 while also having a ton of utility and not having to deal with melee issues. /shrug

[Shneibel]

Top keks. I like your character, let's get married.

no thanks, I don't want to be a young widow

[Vodomir]

Yes in t8 factoring in goads on top of trick attack with selene and I was able to reach 500. From the videos posted, I agree that a dps increase on drg would be nice, however if drg is buffed to overcompensate for lack of utility as other have said then in certain cases it would make things difficult in regards to threat issues. If drg could sustain higher dps than monk in a long drawn out fight initial burst would easily have to reach 1k unless the class is completely reworked. Yes I realize there is a disparity in dps but it has to be looked at closely.

That sounds much more reasonable than your original opening post and some of the stuff you claimed afterwards.

[rickyguo]

Yes in t8 factoring in goads on top of trick attack with selene and I was able to reach 500. From the videos posted, I agree that a dps increase on drg would be nice, however if drg is buffed to overcompensate for lack of utility as other have said then in certain cases it would make things difficult in regards to threat issues. If drg could sustain higher dps than monk in a long drawn out fight initial burst would easily have to reach 1k unless the class is completely reworked. Yes I realize there is a disparity in dps but it has to be looked at closely.

My initial burst is like 800-900 with a ninja trick attack and I have not had any issues pulling hate against a tank with i115 weapons. To be fair, I usually wait a gcd for the boss to be pulled into position or turned anyways.