If DRG does in fact get a buff...

[Whiston]

Linked the video I posted as well as my personal custom build at i111 on initial post. Yes things are getting a little off topic. The main point is that the gap that is claimed to exist between dragoon and the other melees is not as large as people make it out to be. Does DRG need a buff? I do not think so.

The gap isn't huge. You are correct.
A DRG can come within 30-40 dps of a mnk or ninja. The gap is smaller than the difference between someone good at the class, and someone who isn't.
The fact of the matter is, there is still a gap, and no amount of perfecting your rotation or gear will actually overcome those deficiencies.

Damage throughput is also a minor, and honestly, insignificant part of the buffs required for DRG.

If we got silence, something equivalent to MNK traited mantra, and having our MDEF and DEF stats on par with MNK, then I would consider that an absolutely acceptable class buff.

[SpecialKK]

The gap isn't huge. You are correct.
A DRG can come within 30-40 dps of a mnk or ninja. The gap is smaller than the difference between someone good at the class, and someone who isn't.
The fact of the matter is, there is still a gap, and no amount of perfecting your rotation or gear will actually overcome those deficiencies.

Damage throughput is also a minor, and honestly, insignificant part of the buffs required for DRG.

If we got silence, something equivalent to MNK traited mantra, and having our MDEF and DEF stats on par with MNK, then I would consider that an absolutely acceptable class buff.

I think something as simple as increased duration of HT (to allow another Full Thrust combo in) before having to re-apply, along with our Slow attack being moved to OGCD, would do the trick.

[Aiurily]

I think something as simple as increased duration of HT (to allow another Full Thrust combo in) before having to re-apply, along with our Slow attack being moved to OGCD, would do the trick.

i feel like increasing their damage to match nin/mnk and increasing their mdef/survivability to match is a good first step, but probably not really enough. if the dps is homogenized, then what drg has to stand out is being the best at melee aoe and slightly better than nin at burst. seeing as how SE will most likely not add a brand new skill, they'd probably have to do something gimmicky to add a good reason to take a drg over nin/mnk utility. it'd probably be something dumb like adding 5% str/int down to jump/spineshatter with 5s-10s duration lol

the other idea would be to make their total contributed damage (read:disembowel dps increase+self dps) higher than both nin/mnk, but i think that'd just be a bad game design choice. groups would progress with utility based dps classes (read: double monk) and switch out appropriately when they meet a dps wall. and when they get the content on farm and speed clears become realistic, bringing a drg for faster dps vs unneeded utility would be a no brainer

[ChaozK]

seeing as how SE will most likely not add a brand new skill, they'd probably have to do something gimmicky to add a good reason to take a drg over nin/mnk utility.

What i would like to see would be a second effect applied to disembowel for their utility, similar to Dragon Kick and Dancing Edge/Storms Eye.
DK lowers INT and DE/SE lowers healing received (admittedly useless in PVE though), so it feels kinda weird that disembowel is the only one that doesnt have something like this.

If i could dream it would be a damage reduce -5% debuff similar to storms path, which would do a lot to make DRG wanted in raid groups, even if their dps wouldnt change much. I mean from a flavor perspective they are the tanky melee so it would fit if they would do something defensively for the group imo.

[Verus]

What i would like to see would be a second effect applied to disembowel for their utility, similar to Dragon Kick and Dancing Edge/Storms Eye.
DK lowers INT and DE/SE lowers healing received (admittedly useless in PVE though), so it feels kinda weird that disembowel is the only one that doesnt have something like this.

If i could dream it would be a damage reduce -5% debuff similar to storms path, which would do a lot to make DRG wanted in raid groups, even if their dps wouldnt change much. I mean from a flavor perspective they are the tanky melee so it would fit if they would do something defensively for the group imo.

Something like this would be interesting. I've always thought it weird that our only way to reduce magic damage is in pvp with Skewer. If we had that extra effect on disembowel or skewer equivalent we'd be a much bigger asset.

[whiskeybravo]

i feel like increasing their damage to match nin/mnk and increasing their mdef/survivability to match is a good first step, but probably not really enough. if the dps is homogenized, then what drg has to stand out is being the best at melee aoe and slightly better than nin at burst. seeing as how SE will most likely not add a brand new skill, they'd probably have to do something gimmicky to add a good reason to take a drg over nin/mnk utility. it'd probably be something dumb like adding 5% str/int down to jump/spineshatter with 5s-10s duration lol

In my honest opinion, DRG should've got the the vulnerability up debuff from NIN. I know it's a neat, new ability, to me it just makes more sense for a DRG to have something like it. We are already disemboweling and phlebotomizing things, let's split them open and help the group as a whole do more damage. I'm sure all ninjas will rip me but that's just my thought.