If DRG does in fact get a buff...

[Verus]

This right here actualy made me laugh, like NIN doesnt have initial burst? ive died dozens of time by attempting to do my burst right off the back. DRG needs a buff and you know it. NIN has taken their spot and any DRG who isn't blind already hopped on the NIN train because they know it is currently superior.

Again you misunderstand what I said. NIN has initial burst sure. However, every equivalent geared DRG will burst higher side by side. In my video you can see initial burst up to around 600-650 and thats without a potion.

[Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri]

i'm afraid you are talking out of you're rear.

[Ihm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8DuslkCeUE

Just uploaded a video of what you all ask. With food buff and party buff only, this is what I was able to pull. A potion would make this higher and fights like t8 still potentially can burst higher with trick attack and selene buff at optimal times.

I ask for evidence in equivalent gear on a mnk because the good ones I know cap out at the same dps as me even with 2 i130 gear pcs.

For reference, 3 pcs of i110 crafted seem to add about 30 dps to drg and potions on cd a slight increase.

450 on a 3 minute parse, that's standard for a DRG, nothing special. NIN can do 520+ and MNK 490+. DRG is better though because 450 is higher than 490 and much higher than 520?

Again you misunderstand what I said. NIN has initial burst sure. However, every equivalent geared DRG will burst higher side by side. In my video you can see initial burst up to around 600-650 and thats without a potion.

Looking at the parse you posted, I don't think that your NIN buddy over there is as good of a NIN as you are a DRG.

[Verus]

i'm afraid you are talking out of you're rear.

What does that mean? The people who replied to this thread wanted strict i110 numbers, close to 470 is what I get. The crafted i110 lets me break 500 without issue. I just want proof a MNK without a DK bitch can do more than 470 in equal gear.

[siverstorm]

I ask for evidence in equivalent gear on a mnk because the good ones I know cap out at the same dps as me even with 2 i130 gear pcs.

Then you were either parsing short intervals that defeat the entire point or those "good ones" you know are actually terrible. Eg. if those monks can't beat you in a t8 (pre or post nerf) then they're bad.

Thus the whole point of a 5 minute run instead of a 3.5 minute. The entire discussion is about sustained damage. Pre-nerf no fight in second coil/final coil was shorter than roughly 5 minutes. 5+ Minutes you start to see good drg dps taper off and mnk/nin dps shine.

In that t10 unless your nin was every single charge target throughout the fight they should be hitting numbers much higher than yours if their gear is equivalent.

[Houston009]

Again you misunderstand what I said. NIN has initial burst sure. However, every equivalent geared DRG will burst higher side by side. In my video you can see initial burst up to around 600-650 and thats without a potion.

Ive bursted to 700 on my ninja prior to getting geared. The problem with drg in comparison to mnk and nin is that the only place they shine in is bursting. DRG's sustain is trash compared to mnk's and subpar compared to nin's. In your video you end the parse right after you burst and your video is only a 3min parse which shows nothing in terms of sustained damage on prolonged fights.

[Verus]

Ive bursted to 700 on my ninja prior to getting geared. The problem with drg in comparison to mnk and nin is that the only place they shine in is bursting. DRG's sustain is trash compared to mnk's and subpar compared to nin's. In your video you end the parse right after you burst and your video is only a 3min parse which shows nothing in terms of sustained damage on prolonged fights.

Parsing more than 3 sets of B4B is redundant on drg on a target dummy, 9/10 times you need either tp song or goad to dps continuously for 5 minutes. Also the dps evens out around 3 b4bs so with 100% uptime you maintain the numbers I have shown. This simply doesn't happen as there is at least 1-2 globals of breaktime in nearly all encounters that regens enough tp to continue. For sustained dps at 5 minutes even if a monk starts to shine at that point they would be tp starved so unless a ninja or bard is present at the dummy tp will drain.

And as far as 700 dps burst on NIN while under i110 I don't believe it.

[siverstorm]

Parsing more than 3 sets of B4B is redundant on drg on a target dummy, 9/10 times you need either tp song or goad to dps continuously for 5 minutes. Also the dps evens out around 3 b4bs so with 100% uptime you maintain the numbers I have shown. This simply doesn't happen as there is at least 1-2 globals of breaktime that regens enough tp to continue. For sustained dps at 5 minutes even if a monk starts to shine at that point they would be tp starved so unless a ninja or bard is present at the dummy tp will drain.

I don't want to start throwing insults but you literally do not understand what sustained dps is this entire conversation is pointless.

[Houston009]

Parsing more than 3 sets of B4B is redundant on drg on a target dummy, 9/10 times you need either tp song or goad to dps continuously for 5 minutes. Also the dps evens out around 3 b4bs so with 100% uptime you maintain the numbers I have shown. This simply doesn't happen as there is at least 1-2 globals of breaktime in nearly all encounters that regens enough tp to continue. For sustained dps at 5 minutes even if a monk starts to shine at that point they would be tp starved so unless a ninja or bard is present at the dummy tp will drain.

And as far as 700 dps burst on NIN while under i110 I don't believe it.

who said I was under i110? HA Weapon + i110 gear equal plausible numbers.

[Eardstapa]

You know what, I will humor you if I can get my FC crafter to make me two i110 HQ sets for MNK and NIN. I won't even have to use Nexus...