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  1. #81
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    Zarzak's Avatar
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    Zarzak Tigerspirit
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
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    And any mmo that actually followed the model would have every player from them rushing to play it. Wildstar was just another "solo your way to 50 in a day following yellow ! marks"

    The reason those MMOs last so long is every MMO since gets turned into hello kitty island adventure by kids who couldn't beat the 1st level of mario without cheat codes.


    "stop attacking when the boss casts X or look away when you have this debuff" is not hard. If you care to argue that statement I'd love to see what you come up with.

    I realize these mechanics may not be a problem for you. But you clearly believe they are hard enough to justify a nerf. The petrify nerf makes sense for pugs but the blighted, hornet, renaud, and landmines is wtflux. It literally just lets you totally ignore EVERY SINGLE MECHANIC. You can't tell me you feel that is how the fights should be
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantetsuken View Post
    Newer players to MMO games will likely draw from their experiences playing FPS games, GTA, Dragon Age, Skyrim, etc.. and they will evaluate a MMO based on that criteria. But other online games (and offline RPGs) are designed to be picked up, played for maybe 5 months and then abandoned for when the next big game comes along. A Veteran MMO gamer knows that the experience of the game is stretched out over years, and if crafted properly, it leaves players with some of the best gaming experiences to be found anywhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by kazeandi View Post
    This is the problem most content is solo and you get your group action from a cross-server queueing tool. This is not like older MMOs where servers developed real communities. It's more like MacDonald's Drive-Thru, where you queue up, do your run, then never meet those people again.

  2. #82
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    Kuwagami's Avatar
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Cerberus
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    Red Mage Lv 78
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    I realize these mechanics may not be a problem for you. But you clearly believe they are hard enough to justify a nerf. The petrify nerf makes sense for pugs but the blighted, hornet, renaud, and landmines is wtflux. It literally just lets you totally ignore EVERY SINGLE MECHANIC. You can't tell me you feel that is how the fights should be
    effectively I have no problem (besides lag on bouquet sometimes) for these mechanics. Yet, I have been in enough pugs to welcome them with joy. No more facewalling all night long on stupid shit.
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  3. #83
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    Alyko's Avatar
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    Alyko Cautes
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    Tonberry
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    Archer Lv 53
    Here's my verdict:

    T6 - Good to see the instakill mechanics removed. Having that goddamn hornet follow you into Phase 3 because someone didn't remove honey was total BS. Or the instakill Blighted Bouquet. Or those stupid slugs.

    T7 - Still a reasonable challenge. Instakill petrification was ABSOLUTE BS. The way it was, one accidental petrification on a tank or healer would end up costing the fight. Now it's just more of an annoyance and easily healed through

    T8 - Still a challenge. I attempted this for the first time only yesterday because I wasn’t able to clear T5 in time to get into all the practice parties the elitists had when T8 originally came out and when they evaporated. I was able to get Avatar within 1%. So close, yet so far. But it’s great to finally get some practice which is apparently too much for some people on this forum.
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  4. #84
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    Gardes's Avatar
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    Sileas Goode
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    Hyperion
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    Culinarian Lv 51
    What practice? You dont need to practice t6-8 anymore. If anything the game just removed ways for you to get ready for t9 in both skill and mental aspects. The game just dug your prospect of ever doing content while it is fresh into the graves and you cheered. I guess some people just have no drive and enjoys being in the circle of echo
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  5. #85
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    Eardstapa's Avatar
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    Edward Volcdegen
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    Adamantoise
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Players are bad because they don't have to deal with mechanics that others dealt with? Ok. Content is nerfed and I think it is BS because I want it to be hard, even though I am in Final Coil and Second Coil is no longer relevant to me! Ok... Why are you complaining that it is now easier to get gear? I feel people like to whine merely to do so, and when they are reaping the benefits in game they are jumping with joy at how much easier, and quicker it is to get gear for their alternative jobs...
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  6. #86
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    TheRogueX's Avatar
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    Arias Lightbearer
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Garlyle View Post
    At which point we'll have Heavensward and an extra 10 levels, nevermind a likely massive equivalent item level increase, and people won't even give a damn about Second Coil anymore.
    That's funny. They'll still complain. They're still complaining about nerfs to T1-T5, and most of them haven't been doing those for a looong time. A lot of the complainers are probably people who sell runs and are angry because they won't be able to profit as much anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    The game just dug your prospect of ever doing content while it is fresh into the graves and you cheered. I guess some people just have no drive and enjoys being in the circle of echo
    LOL, I love how people like you just assume that people who don't do content 'while it is fresh' have 'no drive,' when instead they may actually just not have enough time in their lives to be at the bleeding edge of MMO content.
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    Last edited by TheRogueX; 11-19-2014 at 12:47 PM.

  7. #87
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    NyarukoW's Avatar
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    Ai Hana
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    Faerie
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    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    What practice? You dont need to practice t6-8 anymore. ...
    So much false information. I was just in farm party for T7 and no soldiery bonus message showed up so everyone had to have clear knowledge. Yet it was wipe after wipe and no clear. I got stuck with kiting duty again, by the time the 3rd renaud was set, the adds were running loose, and who knows what the tanks was trying to do. When the adds kill the kiter, things usually go to the crappers. Sure I survived an accidental petrify that used to wipe right there, but it was no cakewalk. People certainly need more practice.
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  8. #88
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    Kyroc's Avatar
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    Shen Anigans
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    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Alyko View Post
    T8 - Still a challenge. I attempted this for the first time only yesterday because I wasn’t able to clear T5 in time to get into all the practice parties the elitists had when T8 originally came out and when they evaporated. I was able to get Avatar within 1%. So close, yet so far. But it’s great to finally get some practice which is apparently too much for some people on this forum.
    So you got Avatar to 1% on your first go at T8. Yep, thats how a raid should be lol.

    And I'm on your server, there are ALWAYS practice parties on PF during prime time and over the week ends
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  9. #89
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    Kuwagami's Avatar
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Cerberus
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    Red Mage Lv 78
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyroc View Post
    So you got Avatar to 1% on your first go at T8. Yep, thats how a raid should be lol.
    that's what is going to happen when everyone studied all the mechanics, the punishment for failing one is reduced (towers) or the damage caused by mines/towers is reduced. It's even more likely to happen if the majority in the group had practice or even kill exp.
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  10. #90
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    Exstal's Avatar
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    that's what is going to happen when everyone studied all the mechanics, the punishment for failing one is reduced (towers) or the damage caused by mines/towers is reduced. It's even more likely to happen if the majority in the group had practice or even kill exp.
    ...I'm sure he was being sarcastic.
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