Thanks for making Second Coil more accessible

[Dashuto]

These threads always feel more like a bee swarm than an actual discussion.

[ToffeeCoffee]

Why do people wait for content to get nerfed to play a game? Why not unsub and wait till the game is almost dead and then play?

I wonder the same. What is the point of purposely waiting for something to get so nerfed down that you are gifted gear for as minimal effort as possible? Word that comes to mind is "entitled".
This is not Second Coil anymore, it is a reduced difficulty variation of it. While some players are happy it's been nerfed to high hell, other players who abhor using the Party Finder (some of whom can be just as if not more capable at these encounters than some of the supposed static pros) will NEVER get to experience the fights as they once were and should be (leave Savage out of this).

Some players hate using the Party Finder and only want to use Duty Finder to queue for content. Please nerf content AFTER you give it a run in solo queue Duty Finder first, not the other way around.
Shiva X should be in Duty Finder already, why does it have to take so long?

SE stop assuming that players who don't want to use Party Finder are incapable of clearing content.

[Violyre]

At which point we'll have Heavensward and an extra 10 levels, nevermind a likely massive equivalent item level increase, and people won't even give a damn about Second Coil anymore.

Never underestimate how people will react. I'd expect the cap to stay 50 for the raids, but the current people raging will want a cap on gear, probably i125 if they feel generous, for second coil, and third coil I'd expect the people to want the same.

[Mirakell]

My static fell apart for a few good months - so after clearing T5 we were kinda stuck running around looking for new members and getting them through T5 to get into T6. We'd only ran T6 a few time so it is kinda sad we never got to clear it without the nerfs - but hopefully we'll be able to catch up easier now too, as we were held back due to other issues that were out of our control :3

[RecklessLife]

I never took the liberty of setting up a group to clear the content. I only used party finder and always struggled, because it would always be a different group. I mean, why commit to something? Obviously I refuse to acknowledge my own inadequacy and refuse to learn from mistakes. Challenging content is boring and takes too much time. So thank you SE for making second coil easier and thus not prepping me for the difficulty of final coil and giving me confirmation that laziness and inadequacy will be rewarded.

[Ophie-Mio]

So thank you SE for making second coil easier and thus not prepping me for the difficulty of final coil and giving me confirmation that laziness and inadequacy will be rewarded.

Amen...
Enjoy the gigantic wall that will happen when you come up against T9 and have to do the struggle of FCoB...

[Nalien]

I wonder the same. What is the point of purposely waiting for something to get so nerfed down that you are gifted gear for as minimal effort as possible? Word that comes to mind is "entitled".

Funny, the word that comes to my mind for people who want Coil to remain as is (even though Savage mode is untouched) is "entitled", too. I mean, when you've done the content already, how exactly does SE opening it up to a greater range of players effect you, exactly? It's nothing more than elitist entitlement, you enjoyed the content but Gods forbid they lower the bar so others can. How dare they cater to filthy casuals as well. How about you just get over it and go back to enjoying the Final Coil of Bahamut, instead? Or Savage mode which players just doing Second Coil will probably never touch?

I also find it hilarious that you think nerfed Coil for the Duty Finder is something that means players are "gifted gear for as minimal effort as possible"... Have you tried t5 on the Duty Finder?

[Riepah]

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I have to agree, aside from your first sentence, anyway. I want to know what kind of reason they have for not putting things into the DF sooner, what kind of harm is there in letting people get some practice and experience in fights, and possibly sometimes get a good enough group together to actually clear a turn?
The content should be what's challenging, not getting a group together to even attempt it - honestly, getting a group together seems more difficult than most content itself. They should slap coil in DF early on, without Echo, without nerfs, just your normal, regular coil, PROPERLY in DF, not "you still need a full group to sign up for it" until they nerf it.

[Kuwagami]

Why do people wait for content to get nerfed to play a game? Why not unsub and wait till the game is almost dead and then play?

how do less skilled people (or people without the time to learn the mechanics, etc... put the wanted category here) dare not to do the content day one ?

Just so you know, around december 2013, roughly 50% of the end game players had beaten Titan HM (yep, HM) due to various reasons, "Landslide + lag" being the most recurrent. That was at 2.1's launch.

Now, I'd estimate around 25% the players who have access to T6 and further, and about 5% the players who have access to T10 and further. All these people do not wait. They either try as hard as they can with the little time they have (or random pugs) or they stopped to worry at all about the Coil and its headaches. All these people actually enjoy the nerfs because they mean the content becomes accessible for everyone, not only those who met the conditions (more or less constant group, lots of time and dedication learning it, etc...)

I never took the liberty of setting up a group to clear the content. I only used party finder and always struggled, because it would always be a different group. I mean, why commit to something? Obviously I refuse to acknowledge my own inadequacy and refuse to learn from mistakes. Challenging content is boring and takes too much time. So thank you SE for making second coil easier and thus not prepping me for the difficulty of final coil and giving me confirmation that laziness and inadequacy will be rewarded.

you're bad at trolling and clearly do not understand the point of nerfing old and useless content. Your world must be sad.

I mean, when you've done the content already, how exactly does SE opening it up to a greater range of players effect you, exactly?

QFT

[Nalien]

I really can't see this complaining as anymore more than a tantrum. The similarities between this and a toddler acting up as their younger sibling gets their old toys are just too great.