Dark Knight Abilities!

[Verlyn]

I agree actually. Neither Void should sacrifice 20% hp and each of the next hits should remove 10% HP. Which means you must be above 40% to survive this. It was definitely OP.

If I was going to go with that skill at all, I'd change the dynamic up completely. Make it so the DK's life force is sapped by a fixed percentage per tick (like a self-dot), in addition to consuming the same amount per hit and make it a cooldown. That way they can't just flip it on and off. They'd turn it on, lose the sacrifice HP up-front, then be stuck in it even during the weak hits. Maybe make it about 5-10 seconds duration.

That's just an example idea, obviously and it probably comes with its own issues. Hard to determine how crazy this stuff would be in a party dynamic. I'd imagine DKs with heavy handed HP sacrifices wouldn't be much fun to heal for.

[Altijacek]

If I was going to go with that skill at all, I'd change the dynamic up completely. Make it so the DK's life force is sapped by a fixed percentage per tick (like a self-dot), in addition to consuming the same amount per hit and make it a cooldown. That way they can't just flip it on and off. They'd turn it on, lose the sacrifice HP up-front, then be stuck in it even during the weak hits. Maybe make it about 5-10 seconds duration.

That's just an example idea, obviously and it probably comes with its own issues. Hard to determine how crazy this stuff would be in a party dynamic. I'd imagine DKs with heavy handed HP sacrifices wouldn't be much fun to heal for.

I thought I wrote down that it would last for two hits only? I don't know and yeah I mean I'm just looking for feedback, not trying to defend my ideas at all :P

[Andevom]

These are pretty ridiculous and waaay off balance.

34. Death--Instantly kill an enemy under 20% HP. If enemy is immune, deals damage with potency of 500. 40 second cooldown. 5 second cast time. Costs MP.

40. Doom--calls forth a demon to take an enemy's soul. Enemy's str, dex, mind, and int are reduced by 5% for one minute. After minute expires, enemy dies, or if immune to death, enemy takes damage with potency of 600. 2.5 second cast. 240 second cooldown. Costs MP.

That's just...insane. This is supposed to be a tank job, and those would be overkill for a DPS class.

What makes the most sense is something comparable to Shield Oath/Defiance. Increased Enmity (and maybe parry rate), but a Max HP reduction thrown on. It'd give DRK a slight edge when it comes to putting out solid damage as a tank and still maintain hate control, with the risk of getting overwhelmed due to fewer HP.

[Altijacek]

These are pretty ridiculous and waaay off balance.


That's just...insane. This is supposed to be a tank job, and those would be overkill for a DPS class.

What makes the most sense is something comparable to Shield Oath/Defiance. Increased Enmity (and maybe parry rate), but a Max HP reduction thrown on. It'd give DRK a slight edge when it comes to putting out solid damage as a tank and still maintain hate control, with the risk of getting overwhelmed due to fewer HP.

The MP cost of both those abilities is extremely large, plus they have a long cooldown AND a cast time. I made a typo on the Death cooldown, supposed to be 80 seconds. That said, the potency should be reduced to 400 and 500 I believe. On top of that, intelligence influences the damage output of these abilities; as tanks they're going to want vitality, and their weapon is physical so it doesn't increase magic damage, which is why this ability is powerful.

[treuhavik]

Wait, you're building a tank with cast times...? Also, why would they design a STR based job to have INT based abilities? Just lower the potency and have it scale with the jobs main stat.

[Altijacek]

Wait, you're building a tank with cast times...? Also, why would they design a STR based job to have INT based abilities? Just lower the potency and have it scale with the jobs main stat.

Mainly because I believe it should have magic abilities, and it might be interesting to make crafting gear or customizable gear with both stats in the future. This is why we only ever have a single important stat in this game lol XD

[treuhavik]

Mainly because I believe it should have magic abilities, and it might be interesting to make crafting gear or customizable gear with both stats in the future. This is why we only ever have a single important stat in this game lol XD

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to go back to XI Haste/WS gear-swapping but this game currently couldn't handle multiple attributes and I don't think that's going to change w/ 3.0, if we're being realistic here.

I too agree that DRK should use some type of dark/black magic but they won't give a tank casting times. Most PLDs can't even handle using cross-class stoneskin, the skill difference between good and bad DRKs would be far too vast for SE to tolerate. Think more toward instant-cast abilities or the murdra system, something that won't be interrupted while taking hits.

[Altijacek]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to go back to XI Haste/WS gear-swapping but this game currently couldn't handle multiple attributes and I don't think that's going to change w/ 3.0, if we're being realistic here.

I too agree that DRK should use some type of dark/black magic but they won't give a tank casting times. Most PLDs can't even handle using cross-class stoneskin, the skill difference between good and bad DRKs would be far too vast for SE to tolerate. Think more toward instant-cast abilities or the murdra system, something that won't be interrupted while taking hits.

They have a stance where spells won't be interrupted though. Just making sure you saw that.

[treuhavik]

They have a stance where spells won't be interrupted though. Just making sure you saw that.

Ah! No, I must've missed it.

That is assuming they follow the same attribute focus as warrior/pld STR/VIT. For all we know a Dark Knight could have a cleric stance like ability wherein their main focus is Intelligence allowing them to be masters of magic and it's that manipulation of darkness that allows them to empower their STR.

It is a thought that just popped into mind and I think it would be interesting to see the utilization of Darkness be based on their intelligence rather than being a tank that follows the same str/vit mentality.

Yeah, that would be interesting... Also, if NIN's melee attacks can be affected by DEX, I see no reason DRK couldn't be affected in the same sense by INT.

[Airget]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to go back to XI Haste/WS gear-swapping but this game currently couldn't handle multiple attributes and I don't think that's going to change w/ 3.0, if we're being realistic here.

I too agree that DRK should use some type of dark/black magic but they won't give a tank casting times. Most PLDs can't even handle using cross-class stoneskin, the skill difference between good and bad DRKs would be far too vast for SE to tolerate. Think more toward instant-cast abilities or the murdra system, something that won't be interrupted while taking hits.

That is assuming they follow the same attribute focus as warrior/pld STR/VIT. For all we know a Dark Knight could have a cleric stance like ability wherein their main focus is Intelligence allowing them to be masters of magic and it's that manipulation of darkness that allows them to empower their STR.

It is a thought that just popped into mind and I think it would be interesting to see the utilization of Darkness be based on their intelligence rather than being a tank that follows the same str/vit mentality.