So Second Coil has been destroyed

[LalaRu]

My POV on opinions expressed on this thread about the nerfs, are:

1) Complaining players are mostly the ones that were make a living with selling runs to who now they call the "filthy casuals", and their toy is now broken or less productive;

2) Complaining about the battle is not as it were before is nonsense, because it can be repeated by the Savage version (dunno if they ignoring that on purpose, or because they hadn't unlocked that and don't know it exists);

3) Complaining about that content now more accessible to casuals is nonsense, because it is old content and the raiding player of today, is supposed to be on FCoB;

4) Complaining about the fight is more easy and/or presence of Echo is nonsense, because when game progresses, the player or armor iLvl increase and even without nerfs, do again the content with an i500 armor or a level 60 job, will be easy anyway;

The only thing I found really productive on this thread, is that helped me a lot on updating my ignore list.

[Kiyro]

Personally, I'm real mad other people can enjoy the game, especially non-current content.

[Clavaat]

I'm on the fence about this. However, from T6:

Dark matter hornets will no longer continue to spawn after phase transitions, even when players are afflicted by the Honey-glazed status effect.

That's something that should have been there from the beginning. It'd be nice if that specific kind of fix were applied to a few other Turns. Having to hold DPS from being too good was kind of annoying.

[Taika]

1) Complaining players are mostly the ones that were make a living with selling runs to who now they call the "filthy casuals", and their toy is now broken or less productive

This is simply not true. The OP may sell runs, and I've noticed a couple of posts where the poster claims they do as well, but I've also seen many posts from players who haven't beaten second coil turns yet and are annoyed the challenge has now been removed (you only need to read the last few pages to notice these), and then there are people like me who have beaten it but feel the change is unfair for those who haven't yet (as a leader of a FC that has 2 Coil groups in T8 and T9 currently). So stop making this stuff up about posters in the thread to try to belittle their opinion.

[Jacost]

I haven't actually gotten to second coil yet, and I'm actually kinda disappointed that I won't get to experience the challenge as it was intended. Sure I could turn echo off, but still...

As for Savage, there's now an even bigger disparity between it's difficulty and that of the normal raids. Those who are interested in trying it will find themselves out of their depth due to inufficient training. Which is the same problem with Final Coil, although I guess that'll get it's own nerf eventually.

Adding Echo should have been the extent of SE's adjustments. That's something we can turn off if we want to. A story mode coil with no loot (or lesser loot, like say antique stuff) is also a posibility.

[Velhart]

This is the first MMO I have played where people complain when older content gets nerfed.

[Fuma]

Cleared T13 already. I enjoyed SCoB though, quite a bit. I still have a few pieces left to farm, and now I get watered down fights of dumb.

Correction, you still have savage coil that provides the exact same loot as regualr scob. so...yea, you get harder fights then scob prenerf for the loot you need...have fun and have a wonderful day

THIS, so much this. The original poster is just bitching because now they can't feel as elite as more casual players. Get over it, it'll be months before others come close to clearing FCoB, hang on to that epeen for awhile before moving onto the next endgame chunk of content.

[Tiggy]

Seems like they were a little heavy handed in the nerfs for T6, but T7 is definitely going to help people out. T8 with the right orchestration already wasn't very hard once you met the DPS check so with ECHO they probably could have left that one alone, but I'll live.

I wonder how T9 will feel with that 10%.

[Kiyro]

This is the first MMO I have played where people complain when older content gets nerfed.

It's pretty common. People think that because they got a shiny nobody else should be able to get that shiny months after they've moved on to higher tiers of content.

[LalaRu]

This is simply not true. The OP may sell runs...

I wasn't against specific the OP, but to a generic group of players. OP's business is legit. I don't like it but legit.

...I've also seen many posts from players who haven't beaten second coil turns yet and are annoyed the challenge has now been removed (you only need to read the last few pages to notice these)

I had read all 36 pages before post. Your comment was handled by my points 2) and 4). But will repeat here: they can unlock Savage and get the fun they wants, there.

...So stop making this stuff up about posters in the thread to try to belittle their opinion.

Sorry, will not stop making my opinion on the matter, as long as I've same right as you to make my own here.
"Making up stuff" is a different thing, it is create false facts or distorce existing ones, to make up a point. I made no points, I made my opinion. You don't like it, ok, but don't ask me to shut up because so.