So Second Coil has been destroyed

[Yahavage]

Judging by this entire thread there's very, very few people attempting FCOB for their own enjoyment/satisfaction, it's mostly being done to piss over everyone elses parade and put them down for being inferior, hence the rage when it gets nerfed.

Shame.

You'd think these were achievments for getting somewhere in life, not just for playing a game :x

[Ramzal]

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I'm up to 9th turn (Thank you college for giving me actual responsibilities instead of allowing fun! >:O) ((Kidding I love college)) and while I get your frustration with the nerfs and they are perfectly valid I feel as though the only loss from what you describe is the Renauds. There was always something hilarious about watching a lalafell try to kite a Renald, mess up and get DESTROYED by a 7K+ auto attack. I've always had an overly active imagination and it just makes me imagine them being launched into the air Team Rocket style.

[CYoung187]

What. The. Fu#%.

I had been working on SCoB when I could get a group that didn't require a previous kill and was having fun with it, now it is a total joke? At least with echo you can turn it off. From now on I guess it's a situation where you better clear everything while it is still recent or you will never be able to enjoy the fight in its full form.

Either be in a static and do current coil, or faceroll everything. Some middle ground would be nice. Just because some players are casual doesn't mean they don't want a challenge.

[Taika]

From now on I guess it's a situation where you better clear everything while it is still recent or you will never be able to enjoy the fight in its full form.

Either be in a static and do current coil, or faceroll everything. Some middle ground would be nice. Just because some players are casual doesn't mean they don't want a challenge.

Exactly, this is the problem. Second Coil with duty finder access (so you won't need to build your own party), with higher item level gear and maybe even an echo could have offered the medium difficulty content this game so desperately needs.

[MrLeonheart]

What. The. Fu#%.

I had been working on SCoB when I could get a group that didn't require a previous kill and was having fun with it, now it is a total joke? At least with echo you can turn it off. From now on I guess it's a situation where you better clear everything while it is still recent or you will never be able to enjoy the fight in its full form.

Either be in a static and do current coil, or faceroll everything. Some middle ground would be nice. Just because some players are casual doesn't mean they don't want a challenge.

Well then, good news! There were no changes to T9 other than the added cushion of the Echo! So Nael can still murder the shit out of you for months!

[Vaer]

Well then, good news! There were no changes to T9 other than the added cushion of the Echo! So Nael can still murder the shit out of you for months!

Plus people will still wipe to ballistic/AF in t8 even with the changes.

RIP t6/7 tho.

Surprised the echo is starting at 10%. The clear rate stats they have for these must be terrible.

[WHS]

What. The. Fu#%.

I had been working on SCoB when I could get a group that didn't require a previous kill and was having fun with it, now it is a total joke? At least with echo you can turn it off. From now on I guess it's a situation where you better clear everything while it is still recent or you will never be able to enjoy the fight in its full form.

Either be in a static and do current coil, or faceroll everything. Some middle ground would be nice. Just because some players are casual doesn't mean they don't want a challenge.

You still have savage mode for that joy you are asking for. It has no echo and no nerfs to be exact.

[Ghishlain]

I personally have no issue nerfing Second Coil since it's not longer current. I personally welcome the idea of it because it allows for people to make in roads to catch up to current content and increase the overall raiding pool - meaning I have more options to look at it in case I need to PUG a member who's off for the week. It just a matter of filtering the capable from the incapable.

If a player wants to stay on the bleeding edge of content, they have Final Coil to contend with, and by extension, Savage Second Coil. It's not like anyone can change a plyer's achievement dates to reflect them clearing content BEFORE the nerfs, so players still have the pride to say "I beat it before the nerf! Yesh!" Keyword - Pride. That's different from being an elitest jerk.

[Nadrojj]

It's funny you complain about something you've already beaten, now the people who couldn't try this content get to at least try it. Take it easy guy. I cleared up till t9 before our static broke, and it was more just frustration than anything else. The satisfaction of beating a hard encounter was nullified by poorly playing members of our group. I never though yes we beat it, instead i thought man we would have beaten this three weeks ago had our SCH figured things out.

Be happy you beat it when there was still some "teeth" to the challenge and let the rest of the masses enjoy the game now.

[LalaRu]

My POV on opinions expressed on this thread about the nerfs, are:

1) Complaining players are mostly the ones that were make a living with selling runs to who now they call the "filthy casuals", and their toy is now broken or less productive;

2) Complaining about the battle is not as it were before is nonsense, because it can be repeated by the Savage version (dunno if they ignoring that on purpose, or because they hadn't unlocked that and don't know it exists);

3) Complaining about that content now more accessible to casuals is nonsense, because it is old content and the raiding player of today, is supposed to be on FCoB;

4) Complaining about the fight is more easy and/or presence of Echo is nonsense, because when game progresses, the player or armor iLvl increase and even without nerfs, do again the content with an i500 armor or a level 60 job, will be easy anyway;

The only thing I found really productive on this thread, is that helped me a lot on updating my ignore list.