So Second Coil has been destroyed

[Osmond]

This is a load of bull. People who I know are against these nerfs, including myself, appreciate the value of clearing these fights unnerfed and don't want to take that chance away from people who don't happen to have as much time for the game, or a static, or whatever. Progressing slower than the top or even medium speed groups does not mean you're an incompetent player who needs all central mechanics removed or nerfed to be able to clear content. In addition, nerfs only do a disservice because they remove the valuable learning experiences these turns offered, the experiences that help the people who've been able to clear them to make progress in the following turns.

But we all know we not gonna keep playing that content overtime, teaching new players of the mechanics, positioning, etc. Mind you they do monitor what players do in the game and they know those who do complete that content do not go back unless there's a very good reason.

[Taika]

But we all know we not gonna keep playing that content overtime, teaching new players of the mechanics, positioning, etc. Mind you they do monitor what players do in the game and they know those who do complete that content do not go back unless there's a very good reason.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or what but I'd at least go back to any turn our members want to learn.

I do not believe you at all. You still have savage mode without the nerfs so whining about the non-savage version is for other reasons.

I don't think Savage mode is what majority of players are interested in doing. However, it's a good example in the sense that I haven't personally started clearing it and would be very disappointed if it would get nerfed before I'll have the time to do it. I know people feel similarly about normal Coil and I would feel too if I hadn't beaten second yet (and which is why I'm also focusing all my event time on FC now to be able to clear it before it gets nerfed).

[Snugglebutt]

This is a load of bull. People who I know are against these nerfs, including myself, appreciate the value of clearing these fights unnerfed and don't want to take that chance away from people who don't happen to have as much time for the game, or a static, or whatever. Progressing slower than the top or even medium speed groups does not mean you're an incompetent player who needs all central mechanics removed or nerfed to be able to clear content. In addition, nerfs only do a disservice because they remove the valuable learning experiences these turns offered, the experiences that help the people who've been able to clear them to make progress in the following turns.

Edit: Me or my FC never have and never will sell runs. We organise learning groups instead.

I do not believe you. You still have savage mode without the nerfs so whining about the non-savage version is for other reasons. Other than one main mechanic change on one coil the rest of the mechanics are pretty much the same only with reduced damage or less time debuffed on the original second coils but like said you still have savage version if the challenge was all you wanted.

[Alukah]

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But surely you can understaind SE position here, they want more people to enjoy the new content, the current max challenge (well some say savage is harder that FCoB but that's another topic). The nature of this game is newer content will outdate older content, if you keep people gated behind old fights that normally can take weeks or months and aren't even rewarding loot wise then you will have less people doing the new content.

A way to solve this is difficulty tiers, no nerfs or minimal nerfs needed, but that may not happen until the expansion.

[SarcasmMisser]

She is a clear seller, something she has admitted to being in her own words on these forums. When take that into consideration it becomes apparent why she might hate this move by SE as it will potentially damage her profits made from selling clears on this content. The people actually against this are for the most part people who's egos depend on treating others like something they step on or they might lose some profits from selling clears on this content. Those people still have final coils and savage mode untouched, that is the newer content meant to challenge them and not this old content in second coil.

Not only has the OP actually done savage and cleared final, but most people complaining are actually people who were still working on second coil and are now unable to play the mechanics as they were originally designed. I think those people would prefer a gradual nerf through the natural gear inflation that comes with vertical progression over hard nerfs.

The only real good money in mercing is selling it when it is actually on lockout, nerfs don't do a thing to prices other than allow more groups to carry it and maybe drive prices down. A dead person still does zero with echo, and the easier you make something the worse people will play.

[Mayh]

If you beat it already then who cares, move onto 3rd coil and stop going after people who are playing catchup still.

Exactly this. Come on people.

[KodiHivaer]

If you beat it already then who cares, move onto 3rd coil and stop going after people who are playing catchup still.

^THIS GUY.

[Canadane]

I dislike that they're forcing an easier mode onto new players that won't ever get to even experience the challenge. Yeah we have Savage coil, but that's not exactly a substitute.
They could have made these changed and thrown it into a Story Mode version of second coil if they wanted people to be able to progress. No loot, all lore, and off to Final coil you go.

[PandaPause]

I dislike that they're forcing an easier mode onto new players that won't ever get to even experience the challenge. Yeah we have Savage coil, but that's not exactly a substitute.
They could have made these changed and thrown it into a Story Mode version of second coil if they wanted people to be able to progress. No loot, all lore, and off to Final coil you go.

Well said!

[Ferocious]

Those nerfs are even worse than first coil. Turn 7 was amazing and unique. Now it would be a complete joke and snooze fest. Good job SE, you continue to prove your incompetence with raids!