Rejoice ninjas!

[Aethaeryn]

Also you must not play MNK or DRG because "hugging the line" that separates rear and flank is like begging to lose DPS and flow because the slightest turn in the mob or tank, or if anyone moves at all or anyone else gets aggro means you lose.

I played DRG through all 2.0 and 2.1, and I've played MNK since then on my lalafell. I cannot think of a single encounter (pre-FCoB, I don't know anything about FCoB yet) where there is movement required by the tank that is not predictable. If you're talking about dungeon farming or something, that's different. Someone else getting agro would make you lose damage even if you weren't hugging the line. I don't get your point here at all.

If you enjoy positional attacks, more power to you. I already said they've always been annoying to me, not that everyone finds them annoying. If you don't have fun on ninja because of the lack of positional attacks, don't play it. That doesn't mean ninja needs to be nerfed into the ground.

[DoctorPepper]

I find it amusing that coldbrand only has ninja to level 31 and Nalien hasn't even unlocked rogue unless he created a brand new character for the sole purpose of leveling ninja instead of using his character with multiple 50s.

Both of you should play the job at 50 before you cast judgement about how easy it is in my opinion. Sounds like bitter dragoons to me, just be patient, your buff is coming.

[Nalien]

Actually, my actual account has everything at 50, not that that matters. Went over this in the other thread already. Ad hominem doesn't detract anything from the points I've made.

[Aethaeryn]

I don't want my positionals taken away, I just want them to be rewarding to maintain instead of punishing to neglect.

I can agree with that. I think that the penalty on DRG for failing to meet positional requirements is way too strict and needs to be addressed. I just don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the way ninja is now. I don't find it difficult now, but the learning curve was definitely much higher and took me a lot more practice than monk or dragoon. I'm still not perfect yet, but I think adding positional requirements (other than DE? I wouldn't be terribly upset about that one because I didn't even realize it wasn't actually flank for like two weeks lol) would make the job more stress than it's worth at this point.

[Itseotle]

No nerf yay! Also we should finally be able to tell the difference between shadow fang and dancing edge





Let us trample on the poor dragoons...///

DRGs been trampling on the NINs lately... so many NINs who think there immune to mechanics lately =\

Also, I'm pretty sure Yoshie said way back in 2.0 land that he will do everything he can to prevent nerfs from happening, and if you look back at class changes, very few nerfs have come to jobs. Most of the changes have been buffs.

[DoctorPepper]

Actually, my actual account has everything at 50, not that that matters. Went over this in the other thread already.

I'd love to see some proof so that I could take you a little more seriously but I doubt I'll get it. Fact is, when you hide behind an alt nobody can tell if you're full of shit so people will assume you are, I'm not surprised you went over this in another thread already, quit hiding and you won't have to.

What I don't understand is that DRG buffs are confirmed, why are you crying for ninja to get positional requirements aside from Dancing Edge and TA? Odds are NIN will be demoted to 3rd place and then the fact that DRG and MNK are slightly more difficult (because give me a break, neither is actually hard) will be a moot point. People enjoy ninja because it's a completely different playstyle than DRG and MNK, why do you need to try and ruin that for them?

[Coldbrand]

I'm not even advocating a nerf to the job, I don't even really feel the need for a buff, and the job plays IDENTICALLY to what I'd predict after having read the abilities the night the patch came out. There wasn't really any room for surprise. I'll use Doton when there will be several enemies or one large enemy in place for a duration of time, katon for group burst, raiton when huton is up and suiton fuidama is taken care of. I'll gain ring of thorns with no complexity, and two disembowel rip offs. Oh and the two elements of life surge split into two different abilities, except it also resets my main cooldown. Doesn't really sound like anything new to be perfectly honest. If there's a WAR in the party I can even ignore keeping up the debuff which MNKs require a second MNK to achieve. Cool.

[Nalien]

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Care to quote me as saying Ninja should have positional requirements (Dancing Edge still doesn't have one, by the way)? I have never said that. Go back to the other thread and actually read what I posted, at most I've suggested Raitons potency be nerfed in PvP and ranged dropped to 5y because Fuma Shuriken is just worthless otherwise.

[Felessan]

Most of which are predictable by enemy HP%

And moments when boss turns to fire something is predictable by their rotation.
I really don't get why you downplay ninja hardships and not apply the same rules to monk/dragoon.

Mostly for the party, not your individual DPS, though losing 160 potency in ability damage is never nice. Trick Attack is also only every minute, instead of fairly constantly throughout a fight; more chance for the same to happen to a Monk than a Ninja.

In worst case scenario it's 307 potency, not 160 as ninja benefits from the same 10% buff himself. It's around 850 damage or 15 dps for this given minute. Not really something you should ignore.

That's up to SE, not me. Simple fact is that Ninja doesn't suffer from such mechanics nearly as much with a static 20% damage buff and Huton, compared to what Dragoon and Monk have to endure. The three should be balanced with that in mind.

Monk and Dragoon do not have to endure mechanics that requires you to execute precisely key sequences and not just spam the next ability in rotation as everyone else do. And not only execute this sequences but also weave them perfectly into GCD.
And still - monks have higher dps than ninjas.

I enjoy requiring situational awareness personally and am bored to death when playing NIN at the mindlessness. I can let my mind drift and really only need to watch the HP bar tick and the colors brighten up. That's what happens to game feel when you eliminate the need to be cognizant of the enemy.

You are not forced to play NIN class, you know? Having a diversity for different tastes is a good thing, personally I don't like this whole "2 step" thing, I better will concentrate more on execution perfection.

[DoctorPepper]

For the record, I'm very happy they are buffing DRG. It's a long deserved buff that will make a lot of people happy. I just don't understand why people are trying to get NIN nerfed at the same time because there is no need for a nerf, the only ones suffering at the moment are dragoons and they have been since long before ninja was release.