2.4 SMN Class Issues

[Zencurse]

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The OP did throw some numbers out there that favor BLM in single target. But honestly, unless Square decides to put some encounters in the game similar to T4 more often the utility a SMN offers alone I think is justifiable for a small damage advantage in Black Mage's favor, even if they are a little more durable through manawall/ward. If AOE does become more prevalent in the endgame then I could see the two becoming more equalized.

That said I feel like the biggest advantage a BLM has in single target right now isn't really from SMNs raw damage potential. Having tested both on a dummy myself under similar situations they both do close to the same with the BLM edging out a little more in general. The big problem is the SMNs lack of longevity in combat, which is what this forum post I feel is mostly about. I feel we need to adjust SMNs mana efficiency, not their damage. The way I see it, you fix SMNs mana efficiency, you fix the huge gap we're seeing right now between BLM and SMN in FCOB.

EDIT: This is assuming a BLM and SMN of equal skill/gear...Obviously a Black Mage who doens't even bother to bind AM to a key or has never heard of proc management will probably get blown out of the water by a SMN who at least knows to keep their dots up on the boss.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Apocatastasis is one ability that can push BLMs viability over a SMNs when conversing about Final Coil.

I don't know, I don't see the issue with a SMN using a Hi-Elixer + 3 energy drains. Yes, it is a DPS loss, but adjusting to the fights is more important than adjusting the jobs for the fights.

[ViviAnimus]

I pretty much agree with everything that is said. I have also played with Dino once or twice and don't doubt his qualities as a player. As a main Black Mage and sometimes Summoner I just feel the same way. The SMN damage is fine, but the manacost to keep it flowing is too much. There is no argument against that. Losing out to about 50 DPS max is something huge. I hope SE address this.

[Nemhy]

Am I the only one that finds it kinda funny that Akiza has been bringing these points up for awhile now? Yet the general reception is like night and day...Akiza gets shut down and called a vicious troll, people saying she is full of crap ect. While this post is pretty much 100% positive and people are agreeing. Not calling anyone out just making an observation :P

As for the post itself...I agree with most stuff here but do not think we will see any real drastic changes until 2.45-2.5. If they change stats on shared gear people will flat out riot (it happened once before in the first tier of Allagan gear). TBH I think an easy fix would be so energy drain scales with Int. You still lose some DPS having to Energy drain but if it restores a respectable amount I can totally get behind it! One thing that I don't agree with is making is so Summoner can be super aggressive with Ruin II and have ZERO MP issues.

[Ardan]

Am I the only one that finds it kinda funny that Akiza has been bringing these points up for awhile now? Yet the general reception is like night and day...Akiza gets shut down and called a vicious troll, people saying she is full of crap ect.

Because he is full of crap. Whatever good he posts, (which is most likely taken from other threads) he always slides in ridiculous claims and unhelpful solutions. Not to mention he jumps from one point to another when it doesn't work. The issue of SMN is this, the issue of SMN is that. He hijacked a thread I created addressing a genuine problem, just to slide his reforms into it.

[Deliciou5]

Am I the only one that finds it kinda funny that Akiza has been bringing these points up for awhile now? Yet the general reception is like night and day...Akiza gets shut down and called a vicious troll, people saying she is full of crap ect. While this post is pretty much 100% positive and people are agreeing. Not calling anyone out just making an observation :P

As for the post itself...I agree with most stuff here but do not think we will see any real drastic changes until 2.45-2.5. If they change stats on shared gear people will flat out riot (it happened once before in the first tier of Allagan gear). TBH I think an easy fix would be so energy drain scales with Int. You still lose some DPS having to Energy drain but if it restores a respectable amount I can totally get behind it! One thing that I don't agree with is making is so Summoner can be super aggressive with Ruin II and have ZERO MP issues.

I really don't see why people hate akiza so much other than 2 reason:

1. They disagree with her opinion on what the class should be.
2.She doesn't always explain himself(herself?) properly when it comes to ideas. Thus making akiza seem incompetent to them because he throws many different ideas and tries to see which ones that stick.

In reality that lack of consistency and cohesion is what gets akiza lambasted the most, however if his posts were more well thought out people probably take him more seriously even if he does jump around a bit. People just don't want to give your ideas the benefit of the doubt more often than not and try to understand them...it ends up making them seem like arseholes sometimes because some of akiza's posts does make sense...just gotta try to translate them so it requires extra patience or braincells people don't seem have.However, sometimes even i am confused at his posts.People just act like all of them are bad....too busy attacking credibility instead of taking each post one by one.

[Ardan]

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Nobody likes Akiza because:

1) Makes factual statements without proof.
2) Jumps from one argument to the next.
3) Constantly makes suggestions that would, pretty much, retcon the entire story and lore of the game.
4) Makes suggestions that would hinder the balance of other jobs, just to make SMN reign supreme.

There's probably more points I can make and quotes I can pull from his history. Seriously though, it's not even worth the effort anymore. Defending him on anything at this point is pretty much a death sentence on your credibility. He has over 600 posts worth of nothing but gibberish, all in English, mostly readable and understandable. Sift though the sea of Akiza's post history if you're that sure he's not being clear.

[Deliciou5]

Nobody likes Akiza because:

1) Makes factual statements without proof.
2) Jumps from one argument to the next.
3) Constantly makes suggestions that would, pretty much, retcon the entire story and lore of the game.
4) Makes suggestions that would hinder the balance of other jobs, just to make SMN reign supreme.

There's probably more points I can make and quotes I can pull from his history. Seriously though, it's not even worth the effort anymore. Defending him on anything at this point is pretty much a death sentence on your credibility. He has over 600 posts worth of nothing but gibberish, all in English, mostly readable and understandable. Sift though the sea of Akiza's post history if you're that sure he's not being clear.

1. Sometimes yes cannot refute that. However how can anyone prove half of the things people say about this game?
2. Like i said before not really a big deal, just wish akiza would explain each idea a little better with more well thought out posts.
3. Ret-conning happens all the time for all forms of media, ret-conning could easily be just further expounding upon by a preexisting idea to explain the new changes. Akiza ill admit does not respect lore much, but you have to talk about your ideas from a gameplay standpoint before you can fit them in lore more often than not. It's just easier.
4.I need examples or citatations on this one since you see to making a factual statment without proof...see item 1 of your own list.
I do not doubt you, but i rather see an example what you would consider an idea gone too far. Otherwise you are no better honestly.

Am i defending akiza? Maybe a little, but i also criticizing him at the same time. I am just giving akiza the benefit of the doubt, i will explain to him why his ideas might be wrong... as well as support idea in more detail that i agree with. Not really taking sides here just being more objective than most.

Seems opinions are more important to a good portion of people on this forum than discussion.

It's sad you rather talk about people than ideas, you are really derailing the thread yourself at this point considering akiza hasn't even posted in it. Ironic.

Even if most of akiza's posts are jibberish i rather not act like an arsehole just because i think so. Respect is far better than what you spout. I am simply playing devil's advocate here because i seen far too many people bash akiza's unnecessarily, and it's honestly gotta stop. More constructive criticism and less aggressive condescending remarks.

[Dyvid]

I really don't see why people hate akiza so much other than 2 reason:

1. They disagree with her opinion on what the class should be.
2.She doesn't always explain himself(herself?) properly when it comes to ideas. Thus making akiza seem incompetent to them because he throws many different ideas and tries to see which ones that stick.

It's because she not only suggesting a complete overhaul on a class which is always going to lose you fans, but has made over 500+ post on this subject with just reposting the same thing. She'll have one idea then necro post every SMN thread to tell the us. That's what really annoying everyone. But hey, don't take our word for it. Read the 625+ she has.

[OneWingedSora]

Just tried going through T10-12 this reset with SMN and while it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, it certainly doesn't compare to BLM. For preference, here are the numbers from last week's BLM runs and this week's SMNs.

BLM: 485 T10, 450 T11, 520 T12(Till about 25 percent or so)

SMN: 450 T10, 428 T11, 470 T12

It's funny because at first glance, I thought I would be doing more as SMN on T11 but that didn't turn out to be the case. And that's also with our Bard running Ballad once atleast.