2.4 SMN Class Issues

**Akiza** · 11-21-2014 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

OP's static as well as mine and many others have two casters in them so your point is invalid.

Peoples individuals statics don't represent the whole. The most common statics run White Mage, Scholar, Paladin, Warrior, Bard , Monk, Ninja or Dragoon and Black Mage.

**dday3six** · 11-21-2014 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Akiza

Peoples individuals statics don't represent the whole. The most common statics run White Mage, Scholar, Paladin, Warrior, Bard , Monk, Ninja or Dragoon and Black Mage.

And you have the ability to know the comp of every static to determine a most common how exactly?

**Ardan** · 11-21-2014 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by dday3six

And you have the ability to know the comp of every static to determine a most common how exactly?

Damn your ninja post... ninja. >:x

**Akiza** · 11-21-2014 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Ardan

Spike is the same thing as burst and Dragoons are in dire need of adjustments. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Summoners should excel in Single Target Burst and AoE Bursts then.

**Akiza** · 11-21-2014 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by dday3six

And you have the ability to know the comp of every static to determine a most common how exactly?

Look at Party Finder and see which class is in demand. I pugged for several weeks with different statics as a White Mage and Bard, Monk, Ninja or Dragoon and Black Mage. Even in End Game Dungeons I see rarely see Summoner's I think they just disappeared into thin air when it comes to End Game.

**dday3six** · 11-21-2014 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Akiza

Look at Party Finder and see which class is in demand. I pugged for several weeks with different statics as a White Mage and Bard, Monk, Ninja or Dragoon and Black Mage. Even in End Game Dungeons I see rarely see Summoner's I think they just disappeared into thin air when it comes to End Game.

That is anecdotal, based on your own personal experience, however that is in no way representing the playerbase as a whole. Also you know we can look up what you have leveled as Akiza Izinski. You only have SMN/SCH and WHM at 50. What is the PC name/s that you have BRD, MNK, NIN, DRG, and BLM under?

**Ardan** · 11-21-2014 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Akiza

Look at Party Finder and see which class is in demand. I pugged for several weeks with different statics as a White Mage and Bard, Monk, Ninja or Dragoon and Black Mage. Even in End Game Dungeons I see rarely see Summoner's I think they just disappeared into thin air when it comes to End Game.

Your perspective is one of the several millions that play this game. Just because you don't see any doesn't mean nobody plays the class. I've gone though dozens of DF dungeons and haven't seen a single Bard. Obviously nobody plays bard. Bard buffs go!

**Havenchild** · 11-21-2014 12:51 PM

Odd, my Dragoon friend on Leviathan was pretty clear in saying he was having a hard time finding an FCOB static despite having T11 clear experience.

**Judge_Xero** · 11-21-2014 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Havenchild

SMN also not good at T10.

Dot/Bane 1st to kill set of adds. Miasma II(Have SF in place before they spawn)

Dot, Miasma II Contagion other sister - Bane (put garuda on 2nd set son)

Dot 1st set son in reverse

Attack Sister till dots wear. Dot - Bane to Son - Attack Son. Enjoy almost 700 DPS with near 100% dot uptime/usage.

2nd set is essentially the same. You just contagion the last spawn. Minus the loss from being on LB duty

**Havenchild** · 11-22-2014 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

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I didn't say summoner was not capable on T10 at all but that a BLM is outdoing in all situations per mana.
Double Flares and Fire IIs give the same numbers with less constraints.

Rotation wise, this is quite close to what I do. The exception is that with good DPS you can't get full uptime on any of these mobs cause they are blown up. In my group, Nin, Brd, Blm and Sch are all getting damage. Only Dots on the second set get a full duration (with Contagion). First set dies fairly quickly.

For second group of adds(55%), I do the LB, (usually precasting it) Dot up + Bane one side (Tank we free up first), start dotting the other side, and then somewhere in there I get back aetherflow and then I use a Raging Strikes + Int Potion then to Contagion and Bane a full set of strong Dots on that third set of Adds.

Not to mention, I find myself going into those phases with not many Aetherflow stacks. Usually one on hand, while Aetherflow still has say 30 - 45 seconds cd going into adds. This rotation seems both mana intensive, no? Wouldn't have to hold back on a fester before add phase or your average party DPS is low enough where you get more time before pushing into add phase to have stacks ready to do all this multibane-ing. I'm not saying its impossible just not 100% viable with some intense DPS pushing.

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