2.4 SMN Class Issues

**OneWingedSora** · 11-19-2014 02:01 PM

Just tried going through T10-12 this reset with SMN and while it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, it certainly doesn't compare to BLM. For preference, here are the numbers from last week's BLM runs and this week's SMNs.

BLM: 485 T10, 450 T11, 520 T12(Till about 25 percent or so)

SMN: 450 T10, 428 T11, 470 T12

It's funny because at first glance, I thought I would be doing more as SMN on T11 but that didn't turn out to be the case. And that's also with our Bard running Ballad once atleast.

**Havenchild** · 11-19-2014 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

Just tried going through T10-12 this reset with SMN and while it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, it certainly doesn't compare to BLM. For preference, here are the numbers from last week's BLM runs and this week's SMNs.

BLM: 485 T10, 450 T11, 520 T12(Till about 25 percent or so)

SMN: 450 T10, 428 T11, 470 T12

It's funny because at first glance, I thought I would be doing more as SMN on T11 but that didn't turn out to be the case. And that's also with our Bard running Ballad once atleast.

I noticed this first when I was playing on SMN (well experienced) and I finally got to run with another well experienced BLM. The upkeep on the BLM was amazing throughout the entire fight, staying on par with me and surpassing me on pretty much each turn.

BLM is outclassing SMN in all of these fights and they don't need assistance from any other class. SMN needs at least a Ballad here and there to stay competitive.

**Judge_Xero** · 11-20-2014 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

Just tried going through T10-12 this reset with SMN and while it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, it certainly doesn't compare to BLM. For preference, here are the numbers from last week's BLM runs and this week's SMNs.

BLM: 485 T10, 450 T11, 520 T12(Till about 25 percent or so)

SMN: 450 T10, 428 T11, 470 T12

It's funny because at first glance, I thought I would be doing more as SMN on T11 but that didn't turn out to be the case. And that's also with our Bard running Ballad once atleast.

That is strange that SMN was behind at all for T10-11 - Both those fights are amazing for multidotting.

Compared to BLM T11 is especially good because you can contagion 1 module and rotate your dots on the others and still do some single target damage. (600+ DPS for 1/3 of the fight) On the ADS phase you can sustain MP with just 2 X Energy Drains per minute (2400 MP/min -> 1200 Passive, 600 Aetherflow - 532 Energy Drain).

That's only a 15 DPS loss during that phase (2.5%) to maintain over 600 DPS. Averaged out 500 DPS is possible because 1/3 of the fight consists of DPSing the ADS modules.

**OneWingedSora** · 11-20-2014 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

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The sphere takes half the damage from magical attacks though ? So the difference during that part won't be as big as you think especially since I am on the cube the whole phase and only switch to the sphere towards the end if the other DPS are slacking.

**Havenchild** · 11-20-2014 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

The sphere takes half the damage from magical attacks though ? So the difference during that part won't be as big as you think especially since I am on the cube the whole phase and only switch to the sphere towards the end if the other DPS are slacking.

You can however stand near the Electric Node, DoT and Contagion that one and maintain your DoTs on the cube. Gives you 2 sets of full strength DoTs.

**Sleigh** · 11-20-2014 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Havenchild

You can however stand near the Electric Node, DoT and Contagion that one and maintain your DoTs on the cube. Gives you 2 sets of full strength DoTs.

The problem with that is SMN has a hard enough time keeping up with 2 melee + BRD + tank with DoTs + full time Ruins on one target. Multi-DoTing won't help if you have to make your party do half damage for a few GCDs. As SMN I played it straight and I lagged pretty far behind the others, and required them to throttle and/or help me on my add. With BLM, you have complete control and can not only keep up easier with the other DPS but you can finish it off from sub-10% in two GCDs.

**Sunako** · 11-20-2014 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Havenchild

You can however stand near the Electric Node, DoT and Contagion that one and maintain your DoTs on the cube. Gives you 2 sets of full strength DoTs.

That is true but electric node have regen that tick 200~ heals and ur full set of dots tick 370 - 420. Almost same in source of damage than dotting sphere.

**Judge_Xero** · 11-21-2014 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

The sphere takes half the damage from magical attacks though ? So the difference during that part won't be as big as you think especially since I am on the cube the whole phase and only switch to the sphere towards the end if the other DPS are slacking.

I'll have to double check. I thought that the DOT damage being Neutral bypassed the 1/2 Magic damage.

From what I know about the fight as well, you can Miasma the Egg to stop it, stand close to get the shield buff and that lets you attack it. Then the others don't need to be kited. Still pretty good damage potential.

Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Was thinking about this recently, and I actually have a question re: MP issues. I'm no Summoner and I've no idea how much Piety you'd need to make it matter, but if you melded head + hands + belt with Piety IVs/Piety IIIs, would that make any difference in Turn 10-13? You'd be missing out on Crit on the head and Accuracy on the belt/hands, but I was curious how much MP you'd need to offset the issues SMN has in FCoB. Is it too significant to mend through just materia?

You would need to meld 134 Piety to reach 4k MP - that value giving you 1600 MP/min refresh +800 MP Aetherflow would keep you from going OOM for about 8 mins using nothing but Ruin II in your normal roation. You would probably need 100% AA damage to compensate for the loss of say not putting 134 DET just doing a normal rotation and conserving MP.

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