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  1. #11
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    Zencurse's Avatar
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    James Cairn
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 53
    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
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    The OP did throw some numbers out there that favor BLM in single target. But honestly, unless Square decides to put some encounters in the game similar to T4 more often the utility a SMN offers alone I think is justifiable for a small damage advantage in Black Mage's favor, even if they are a little more durable through manawall/ward. If AOE does become more prevalent in the endgame then I could see the two becoming more equalized.

    That said I feel like the biggest advantage a BLM has in single target right now isn't really from SMNs raw damage potential. Having tested both on a dummy myself under similar situations they both do close to the same with the BLM edging out a little more in general. The big problem is the SMNs lack of longevity in combat, which is what this forum post I feel is mostly about. I feel we need to adjust SMNs mana efficiency, not their damage. The way I see it, you fix SMNs mana efficiency, you fix the huge gap we're seeing right now between BLM and SMN in FCOB.

    EDIT: This is assuming a BLM and SMN of equal skill/gear...Obviously a Black Mage who doens't even bother to bind AM to a key or has never heard of proc management will probably get blown out of the water by a SMN who at least knows to keep their dots up on the boss.
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    Last edited by Zencurse; 11-18-2014 at 01:38 PM.

  2. #12
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    Sariena Adeline
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    Zalera
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Apocatastasis is one ability that can push BLMs viability over a SMNs when conversing about Final Coil.

    I don't know, I don't see the issue with a SMN using a Hi-Elixer + 3 energy drains. Yes, it is a DPS loss, but adjusting to the fights is more important than adjusting the jobs for the fights.
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  3. #13
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    ViviAnimus's Avatar
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    Vivi Stargazer
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    Odin
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    I pretty much agree with everything that is said. I have also played with Dino once or twice and don't doubt his qualities as a player. As a main Black Mage and sometimes Summoner I just feel the same way. The SMN damage is fine, but the manacost to keep it flowing is too much. There is no argument against that. Losing out to about 50 DPS max is something huge. I hope SE address this.
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  4. #14
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    Nemhy Viteri
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    Excalibur
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Am I the only one that finds it kinda funny that Akiza has been bringing these points up for awhile now? Yet the general reception is like night and day...Akiza gets shut down and called a vicious troll, people saying she is full of crap ect. While this post is pretty much 100% positive and people are agreeing. Not calling anyone out just making an observation :P

    As for the post itself...I agree with most stuff here but do not think we will see any real drastic changes until 2.45-2.5. If they change stats on shared gear people will flat out riot (it happened once before in the first tier of Allagan gear). TBH I think an easy fix would be so energy drain scales with Int. You still lose some DPS having to Energy drain but if it restores a respectable amount I can totally get behind it! One thing that I don't agree with is making is so Summoner can be super aggressive with Ruin II and have ZERO MP issues.
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  5. #15
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    SinSaberius's Avatar
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    Sin Saberius
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    Odin
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Now to hope SE will do something about it.
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  6. #16
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    Ardan's Avatar
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    Ardan Lauriers
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    Ultros
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nemhy View Post
    Am I the only one that finds it kinda funny that Akiza has been bringing these points up for awhile now? Yet the general reception is like night and day...Akiza gets shut down and called a vicious troll, people saying she is full of crap ect.
    Because he is full of crap. Whatever good he posts, (which is most likely taken from other threads) he always slides in ridiculous claims and unhelpful solutions. Not to mention he jumps from one point to another when it doesn't work. The issue of SMN is this, the issue of SMN is that. He hijacked a thread I created addressing a genuine problem, just to slide his reforms into it.
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  7. #17
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Phoenix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    I hope they do something with spellspeed. Make dots tick more often and reduce aetherflow cooldown by spellspeed would help with the mana issue. Pet trait would work better too, because if pet crit you have chance spellspeed is increased, but if you do not stack spellspeed it is 100% useless trait. Ifrit would probably be more viable with spellspeed build too because ifrit attack 2x more often(because of auto attack) there would be 2x better chance spellspeed trait proc unlike garuda.
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    Last edited by Sunako; 11-18-2014 at 07:40 PM.

  8. #18
    Player Sanguisio's Avatar
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    Sanguisio Alorea
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    Phoenix
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    I think it would be nice if the spell speed from pet trait is switched to a mp refresh instead, that would even out the resource supply for SMNs hopefully. It's quite unfair that the classes that already top the dps ranking can restore TP without affecting their DPS while SMNs need to make a choice between falling behind DPS wise or going OOM. On top of that the extra utility will bring further affects our DPS via our mana, where as melees can bring theirs without too much trouble.
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  9. #19
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    Mortis Deus
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    Malboro
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nemhy View Post
    Am I the only one that finds it kinda funny that Akiza has been bringing these points up for awhile now? Yet the general reception is like night and day...Akiza gets shut down and called a vicious troll, people saying she is full of crap ect. While this post is pretty much 100% positive and people are agreeing. Not calling anyone out just making an observation :P

    As for the post itself...I agree with most stuff here but do not think we will see any real drastic changes until 2.45-2.5. If they change stats on shared gear people will flat out riot (it happened once before in the first tier of Allagan gear). TBH I think an easy fix would be so energy drain scales with Int. You still lose some DPS having to Energy drain but if it restores a respectable amount I can totally get behind it! One thing that I don't agree with is making is so Summoner can be super aggressive with Ruin II and have ZERO MP issues.
    I really don't see why people hate akiza so much other than 2 reason:

    1. They disagree with her opinion on what the class should be.
    2.She doesn't always explain himself(herself?) properly when it comes to ideas. Thus making akiza seem incompetent to them because he throws many different ideas and tries to see which ones that stick.

    In reality that lack of consistency and cohesion is what gets akiza lambasted the most, however if his posts were more well thought out people probably take him more seriously even if he does jump around a bit. People just don't want to give your ideas the benefit of the doubt more often than not and try to understand them...it ends up making them seem like arseholes sometimes because some of akiza's posts does make sense...just gotta try to translate them so it requires extra patience or braincells people don't seem have.However, sometimes even i am confused at his posts.People just act like all of them are bad....too busy attacking credibility instead of taking each post one by one.
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    Last edited by Deliciou5; 11-19-2014 at 05:00 AM.

  10. #20
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    Ardan Lauriers
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    Ultros
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Deliciou5 View Post
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    Nobody likes Akiza because:

    1) Makes factual statements without proof.
    2) Jumps from one argument to the next.
    3) Constantly makes suggestions that would, pretty much, retcon the entire story and lore of the game.
    4) Makes suggestions that would hinder the balance of other jobs, just to make SMN reign supreme.

    There's probably more points I can make and quotes I can pull from his history. Seriously though, it's not even worth the effort anymore. Defending him on anything at this point is pretty much a death sentence on your credibility. He has over 600 posts worth of nothing but gibberish, all in English, mostly readable and understandable. Sift though the sea of Akiza's post history if you're that sure he's not being clear.
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