Carraway's Guide to the New Archer: 1.18 and Beyond

[syntaxlies]

Yes from what we know.

so using a garuda bow could possibly lower your piety cap from 350ish to 320 or so further more reducing the amount of damage you can output.

hmm when will we see the first "fix garuda weapons thread" ,lol

[Gael]

thank you guys for the answers ^^

[carraway]

It looks like we're going to have to reevaluate weapons, according to some new preliminary testing provided by Kaeko. I hope he doesn't mind me sharing the link here:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...=1#post5196311

The gist of it is that Light Shot damage pivots around weapon base damage, whereas WS damage pivots around calculated weapon DPS.

After looking at his results, I did some very, very brief testing of my own on the Moogle fight with Garuda's Spine. My gearset and eating Jerked Beef put me at 308 DEX, 326 PIE, and 574 ATK. Of course, Moogle is also the worst possible fight for testing, since there's such a huge range of defense values for the targets, but if I just isolate my damage against Pomburner over two fights, here's what I get:

Light Shot avg 220
Heavy Shot avg 482
Piercing Arrow avg 473
Gloom Arrow avg 458
Leaden Arrow avg 465

I parsed against another BRD with extremely similar gear (she has triple ATK gloves instead of my STRx1+ATKx2 gloves, and slightly more PIE on her body piece than I do). Her averages against Pomburner with Ifrit's:

Light Shot avg 282
Heavy Shot avg 442
Piercing Arrow avg 455
Gloom Arrow avg 413

The sample size was really low, but this does corroborate the general line of Kaeko's testing.

Now, what does this mean for us? I'm not sure yet. I think Miser's Mistress probably presents the best testbed for weapon vs. weapon breakdowns, so I'll see what I can do about getting results from that fight. I would of course also be grateful for further corroboration from any other source, as long as the data has the proper context (all stats as close to controlled as possible vs. weapon base damage, i.e. if using Ifrit's Bow, wear Explorer's Choker, and if using Garuda's Spine, wear Electrum Gorget +1).

[Rofellos]

I'm not sure to understand the meaning of this new information, we will need more or less DEX/PIE at the end with a garuda weapon ? Also is it better to use the ifrit bow or the garuda bow ? (because the last time i checked, my first source of damage was Light Shot)

[NoctisUmbra]

Well interesting development indeed. I think this puts the Garuda weapons as BiS for general use for all melee jobs, as well as ARC/BRD. Increasing the damage from WS is a hefty benefit, however let's not forget that Light Shot doesn't interrupt combos anymore so being able to use Light Shot significantly more often should more than make up for the lower AA damage. The DPS on the Spine is over 4 points higher than Ifrit's Bow.

[Miltani]

what food do most bard use nowadays?

[TheFatHousecat]

what food do most bard use nowadays?

Jerked Beef for PIE/ATK

[Akira]

i thought bard caps were 330 pie 300 dex?

[NoctisUmbra]

i thought bard caps were 330 pie 300 dex?

With Ifrit's Bow equipped yes. The DPS on Garuda's Spine is significantly higher and thus the stat caps are also higher. That's the point.

With Garuda's Spine they're closer to 355 PIE and 313 DEX or so.

[Akira]

so the stat caps are higher with garudas spine?