Carraway's Guide to the New Archer: 1.18 and Beyond

[carraway]

We don't use Light Shot or Trifurcate in BRs (except for applying Defense Down, but we don't do that either, since it is really only observably beneficial when used before a perfect 8-person staggered BR).

I don't know whom you're referring to when you mention Bloodletter-spamming groups of Archers, but that's not something I recommend in my guide, nor is it something I practice.

Light Shot delay is dependent entirely on your bow delay (4.0s for Crab Bow); the displayed cooldown is a known bug (see Current Known Issues on Lodestone).

The 8 second delay for a basic BR that does not take advantage of the bulk of actual BR benefits is 8 seconds of DPS uptime taken away from every single participating player. Let me know how long it takes you to do a proper BR. All magic and weaponskills must be from a different class than the magic or weaponskill directly preceding it in order to really take advantage of a BR.

Again, I fully encourage you to try Deepvoid Slave with as many controlled factors as possible, with BRs and without BRs. Beyond that, I don't think I'm going to convince you of the efficacy of unadulterated DPS uptime, nor are you going to convince those of us who hold contrary beliefs to you that BRs are, in fact, the bee's knees.

[Murugan]

It's nice that you guys have such actually useful discussions taking place in the subforum which are helpful to people trying to find information on the class. Too bad you aren't a pugilist.

[carraway]

I agree, the discussion here is great. As for a working parser, I've tried a few and they don't seem to interpret the log very well. I'll revisit them in a few more version updates, maybe.

[carraway]

For point of reference, here's a DH 5-chest speedrun video that one of our archers, Peng, uploaded. You can bump it up to 1080p to check the time on the Deepvoid Slave and Batraal kills. However, this doesn't necessarily represent our fastest bosskills.

http://youtu.be/41W7aPNmgMA

[Penguin]

Ogre was pretty damn slow compared to our usual times but Batraal was pretty fast and smooth.

We also usually tank Batraal close enough to the circle to be able to damage him and pop the circle at the same time but he was slightly out of range in the video.

[Akuun]

I agree with most of the gear selection, the only change or additions I see, are getting rid of the bracelet i'll take 6 more accuracy from 2 more brass wings instead. Also a good head piece that isn't mentioned is the Peregrine Helm with 1 attack and 1 accuracy, as attack is a little tougher to get than accuracy, i see this being equal to the poachers hat.

Stat wise, regardless of your vitality, you'll take about the same amount of damage (honestly even naked you still take about the same (rank plays to big of a role)), so if you can take a couple hits you should have enough vitality.
I personally run 174 str, 100 dex, and the rest in vit. Accuracy doesn't seem to be an issue with 100 and my accuracy gear, and with the 174 str (plus w/e my gear adds) in BRs I typically hit for 2400-2900 on the ogre and Batraal.

I'll leave the 174 vitality to the tank ^^

[Penguin]

and with the 174 str (plus w/e my gear adds) in BRs I typically hit for 2400-2900 on the ogre and Batraal.

What Weaponskill did you use and are you staggering the Weaponskill between classes + have all 8 people in the BR? also how fast are you killing Ogre?

With those numbers i can see under 3min kills being easily possible but i have personally not seen anything close to those kinds of numbers in DH and not since back when my LS was practicing BRs on Uraeus.

I personally want to be proved wrong about BRs because even if i think they are clunky and a terrible design if they can cut time off a clear they are well worth perfecting them.

But so far from testing i have done and videos posted of LS's doing BRs they don't come close to doing that type of damage im not even sure half of that.

[Murugan]

What Weaponskill did you use and are you staggering the Weaponskill between classes + have all 8 people in the BR? also how fast are you killing Ogre?

With those numbers i can see under 3min kills being easily possible but i have personally not seen anything close to those kinds of numbers in DH and not since back when my LS was practicing BRs on Uraeus.

I personally want to be proved wrong about BRs because even if i think they are clunky and a terrible design if they can cut time off a clear they are well worth perfecting them.

But so far from testing i have done and videos posted of LS's doing BRs they don't come close to doing that type of damage im not even sure half of that.

I've never seen numbers quite that high on Ogre, but I suppose on a maimed/fully debuffed mob melee bursting it is possible we used to get similar Chaos Thrust melee bursts back in 15 person party BR's.

[carraway]

I agree with most of the gear selection, the only change or additions I see, are getting rid of the bracelet i'll take 6 more accuracy from 2 more brass wings instead. Also a good head piece that isn't mentioned is the Peregrine Helm with 1 attack and 1 accuracy, as attack is a little tougher to get than accuracy, i see this being equal to the poachers hat.

I hadn't thought about the Peregrine Helm, good catch. The Mythril Wristlets are merely a possible suggestion for the wrist slot; as you'll see, "None" is also an option.

[Akuun]

What Weaponskill did you use and are you staggering the Weaponskill between classes + have all 8 people in the BR? also how fast are you killing Ogre?

I don't use a weapon skill, I use light shot, usually are stack looks like this
WS>WS>WS>WS>Spell>Spell>Light shot
I'm not sure what are fastest time is, I know we've done it in under 4 mins from hitting the room to death

A little more about the BR, I'm the only one buffing, and the buffs I've been stacking are Raging strike 2, Ferocity 2, Hawk's eye, and Blindside
This helps get the BRs out quick, and we've started rotating between me an another archer to maximize on the damage due to cool downs, and keep my hate from going nuts by doing raging, cadence, keen flurry, murderous intent for the second
I've literally pulled so much hate on a single br, that chameleon, and 2 accomplice with the tank popping every voke, still had me in the red, but that is rare.

Oops, one last note, we don't use any debuffs like expose, or even bother with defense down (we used to use defense down but was taking away from damaging BRs with little difference in damage)

I hadn't thought about the Peregrine Helm, good catch. The Mythril Wristlets are merely a possible suggestion for the wrist slot; as you'll see, "None" is also an option.

Yeah, when I first saw the helm I wasn't too impressed, but when I started gearing my archer, I found it was the only piece with attack for the slot. And we all know how much str it takes to equal 1 attack.
Ah, I read it as 1 mythril, nothing on the other wrist, and brass rings to fill the last 2. >>bonks self in the head<<