Why DF parties fail so much on hard content

[TomTom1968]

Silence is Golden is surely not the way to go if you play with Strangers lol. I know the "Tank attacks before Healer can even cast Protect" wipes but I also love the Wipes that come after you ask "Somebody need an Explanation or is this fight clear to everybody"? and you get nothing than akward Silence back lol. And then you see quickly that lots of people are new to the fight or did not understand you because of a Language bareer.

[ruskie]

Why? Because people don't use their brains, don't try to learn, just blindly follow guides, don't know how to play their jobs well, are distracted by a thousand small things around them, are to afraid to ask for clarification(due to tens of thousands of reasons), are unable to analyze why something happened and how to handle it, are unable to communicate for whatever reason.

The only suggestion I have to people is: go into fights blind and learn the mechanics and how to deal with them on your own. Yes it will take wipes, sweat and tears but at the end you will be rewarded by the joy of understanding atleast part of the mechanics and how to adapt around them. After you reach that phase sure go watch a guide or 10 if you feel like you still need it - and if nothing else it might give you a different perspective on how to do something.

Start a PF for like minded people if you want to learn that way or experience fights that way.

[JonBigwood]

Some people also give bad advice too, lol. I saw someone ask: "Do I need to read or see a guide for Garuda EX?" Answer: "no, unless you are the tank, just don't kill the Spiny plume."

I think that except content that is brand new and there are no guides and nobody has a clue or nearly, we all have to look at a guide to at least know what to expect. This is group play and you can spoil other people's runs if you just go knowing nothing.

About Japan difference, I have heard in Japan they use to learn in PF and go to DF once they have enough experience, so DF parties are supposed to go well. In NA and EU usually the DF parties are for learning, and PF parties for advancing more and getting the kill. Except places that are not so difficult and you can expect a kill with more or less wipes.

Also say if you are new, that's nothing bad, and have patience and explain if there is somebody who needs it.

In long difficult fights like T5 you should expect a lot of explaining and wipes and probably just advancing some phases.

[ruskie]

I don't consider that bad advice. I just consider it advice given by someone who expects people to use their brain.

we all have to look at a guide to at least know what to expect.

It's called using your brain and adapting to changes around you. Try it sometime instead of watching a guide to expect something. It can be very rewarding.

This is group play and you can spoil other people's runs if you just go knowing nothing.

And you can do the same for those that actually want to learn and understand the fights by expalining how something should be done(according to guides etc...)

In long difficult fights like T5 you should expect a lot of explaining and wipes and probably just advancing some phases.

Well problem is that people again don't use their brain. Until they start using their brains and actually adjusting to things around them nothing will change sadly.

[PetiteMalFleur]

I understand it's frustrating but I think the bigger issue is more why are people who have zero knowledge of even the basic mechanics of a fight queueing in DF at all. I don't go into these duties expecting to clear because the NA/EU player base attitude towards hard content is to use DF for learning the content before trying to gather a party and clear in party finder. There's nothing preventing players from watching a video to at least familiarize themselves with basic mechanics of the fight they are trying to clear. This is the attitude that keeps experienced players from queueing at all. It's a waste of my time to teach random people where to drop meteors so we don't wipe or how to pull a golem to the wall if they took aggro on it.

JP use DF to clear content. It's an insult to join in DF and not know the fight. I see the NA/EU attitude of DF=learning starting to shift as people queue for T6-7 wanting to farm and clear for loot then actually kicking people who don't know the fight. It's a slow shift but using df is far more efficient than pf groups so I personally hope this trend continues.

[Meier]

This is why I wish we could type while fighting....

I try to type mid fight to help people and end up causing more problems.

It's pretty ridiculous to not be able to type during combat in an MMO...imho anyway.