Why DF parties fail so much on hard content

[Sapphic]

Have your seen the wait when English isn't selected? They want to actually access the content.

If they can communicate in the languages they select, there is no issue. But going in blind on coil for example and getting partied with others who only speak english (I speak Portuguese, Spanish, English and can get by in German and French) then communication becomes an issue. Take turn 5, if they have no idea what to do with divebombs, and unable to understand explanation in how to handle them, causing constant wipes to the same mechanic until the party either a) vote kicks the player or b) vote abandons.

Now tell me, how much good did that do them then? It's unfair to the rest of the party in its selfishness.

Now multiply that by having 3 -4 the same.

Turn it around, say I don't understand any French, I join with F selected for something I never done before and going in blind as tank. The other 7 French have the fight on farm status, I enter, I pull I wipe the party. Party explains what I need to do, I ignore it because I don't understand what they are saying and continue to do the same thing that wiped the party the first time. After half n hour of this. No kills, no progression, no communication. And you think thats fine?

That does happen and it is hella frustrating.

[TouchandFeel]

The main one that I have run into is the attitude of "do what I want, how I want or I will rage and start talking trash and trolling until I get kicked or drop."

As tank, I will always pace the dungeon run based off what I can surmise that the party can handle, yet I always get that one person that either runs forward and facepulls because we are going too slow or that person that will just stop moving and sit back because we are going too fast. If the party wants to and are capable of going faster and doing bigger pulls, I'll do that. If they want to take it slower or aren't capable of big pulls, I'll do that. Don't be that one A-hole that dictates what the party must do.

In a group of four random people, no one person's wants are more important than everyone else's.

[Leigaon]

I agree there's a lack of communication but also a lack cooperation in the party. I see a lot of people post "I always ask my party..." not everyone does..in fact a lot don't. People are there for different reason I understand this, but it seems that new people are afraid to say anything because the guys who want to rush it will just leave or want them kicked. At the same time the new people don't want to listen one bit..it's a mix and match.

There's people who "assume" you should try your best to speed run something. Even though there's road blocks along the way, there's points where you can gather a decent amount of mobs. Yes the entire "whateva I do what I whant!" has caused a party or two of mine to wipe.

I usually can get in a hello but if I'm on PS4 I try to start buffing asap because usually the tank forgets to put on shield oath or defiance and starts hauling butt towards the mobs. I had a horrible horrible party yesterday morning.

I go in I couldn't get in a Hi, tank just ran off. The tank pulled as many mobs as possible in snowcloak. The party was a Ninja and Bard so set up wise, nothing bad. The tank would stop and flash or overpower for each group of mobs and move on to the next one. The Ninja however ran right past the tank and pulled ahead, bringing everything back at almost no HP causing me to use a bene or in some rare serious cases a swiftcast Cure II which I don't list wasting that on. The tank struggled to stay alive and the Ninja kept getting with everything my MP and CD's were used up constantly. The Tank asked the Ninja for TP and he refused. Tank finally asked why are you pulling ahead. "Because we're here", they let it go on the entire run. Finally go to Final pull and Ninja died from gathering the mobs and the dragons AOE. Tank mentioned how they shouldn't of pulled. Ninja responded "Shut up you're worthless now, we're at the end we don't even need you anymore" Tank kept quiet and we finished Fenrir..but it was such a horrible run..no one cared, no one talked and those who did gave the "whateva! I do what I whant!"

On the flip side, I did a Crystal Tower run all new people. Tanks just didn't know where to put adds and DPS kept killing skellies in the middle. Finally people were kicked and others listened we proceeded through. We got to the bomb and we got a new tank all in SCoB gear, I expected some sort of professionalism. He runs in, goes into infuriate mode and pulls instantly before we can explain fully to the new people, even though we already said some are new and mid-way through discussing who was getting what. The elitist decided that you should know exactly what to do..but this was a group who had new people that finally would listen to mechanics..just to be spoiled by a few others who expected it to run perfectly.

[Synestr]

(Please use the Auto-translate function)

I run my DF with all the languages selected. Only language I have a problem with is Japanese, but that is what auto-trans is for. Using it in XI for years I am used to it. It can be tough to clear in DF group with the language barrier but there are tools at our disposal. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

For the most part, roulette content is fine. EX on up stuff should be ran with a group you can communicate with. Otherwise the problems start.

[Delorean]

content short of EX i have never had a problem clearing with any party as any role =|

[Artiste]

I didn't know there was "hard" content in the DF.
Or maybe we dont have the same signification of the word "hard".

The real question is : Why DF parties fail so much on easy content ?

[EricCartmenez]

I didn't know there was "hard" content in the DF.
Or maybe we dont have the same signification of the word "hard".

1st Coil, turn 5, 2nd Coil, Titan EX, Moogle EX, Striking Tree EX... I'm not saying that 2nd Coil is as hard as it was, but it's certainly more challenging than most of your avg daily roulettes. Having pug'd turns 5 and 6 successfully, I was hoping to get through 7, but folks don't seem to get voice and shriek, so the boss gets buffed and people get frozen and we start again until people get fed up and leave. You're right, it's not HARD, but people are not taking the time to learn from their mistakes or paying attention to what others are doing during the mechanics either. I actually experienced a wipe in 1st Coil turn 4 yesterday. I thought I was in an alternate universe. How do a group of people who are geared so highly wipe both tanks and healers on such easy content?

Regardless of what DF it is, if people don't know the mechanics and don't or (for whatever reasons) ask, then even something simple can become extra work or almost impossible.

Here's two reasons missed by the OP:

1. People just don't have or won't take the time to ask for mechanics that they don't know. The I'll make it up as I go along syndrome.
2. People don't have or won't take the time to explain mechanics. That's the It takes less time to bitch about it and repeat the fight syndrome.

[Yukariko]

reason people fail in any DF content is communication or lack there of.

here's a recent raid set up I ran into
2 experienced t9 geared players
2 competent adaptable raiders with limited clears
1 person who says "hi I'm new"
3 people who say nothing "wildcards"
no one said anything or discussed anything, just pulled, someone rage quit after the 3rd wipe and the rest of us left.

another day another DF
Same set up, same raid, only this time tactics were discussed and mechanics explained, cleared on 2nd attempt.

[Kresciel]

In JP data center, DF can clear most content up to t8 (most of them are 1-3 shots, only ones that people have problem with are Ramuh and T8). And there is usually no communication other than greetings. Dunno why in NA data centers DF is so bad.

[Chihaya]

DF fails so hard because

0) You aren't on a JP server