Summoner needs a quick fix too

[Kaze3434]

Why are Black Mages still crying for a buff.
Summoner's don't require pet management you just leave it out there and hit contagion when needed. Summoner requires carefully timed mega potion of intelligent and potent poisoning pots to be great on dps and with a controller it's difficult to do.

Summoner doesn't require skill it has one optimal rotation with upkeep for dots.

if you can say that and actually believe it, then no, you are not a great, good or even average summoner.

[Ardan]

Why are Black Mages still crying for a buff.
Summoner's don't require pet management you just leave it out there and hit contagion when needed. Summoner requires carefully timed mega potion of intelligent and potent poisoning pots to be great on dps and with a controller it's difficult to do.

Summoner doesn't require skill it has one optimal rotation with upkeep for dots.

Consider a new profession, now.

[Eardstapa]

Consider a new profession, now.

Unfortunately Akiza has the forum troll job perfected... Either way, as I said, we cannot jump to conclusions without seeing how they perform with better gear. Secondaries are not as vital as the main stat anyway... DPS loss this, DPS loss that... The only loss is not playing perfectly and not having your main stat capped.

[Havenchild]

Unfortunately Akiza has the forum troll job perfected... Either way, as I said, we cannot jump to conclusions without seeing how they perform with better gear. Secondaries are not as vital as the main stat anyway... DPS loss this, DPS loss that... The only loss is not playing perfectly and not having your main stat capped.

This mentality has lead many people to doing crappy damage on SMN.

No Spell Speed does not lower your DPS on SMN, it just does not provide quite the DPS increase to SMN as it does to BLM. However what does actually lower DPS is having to use Energy Drain more and Ruin II less, to avoid flooring your MP. .

Swapping out DET for SS, or forcing a SMN to choose between having ACC or DET, more so in this tome gearset is a HUGE loss of damage to the class. You have no idea how much DET adds to SMN. SS in general is not a good stat to have on this class for besides the fact you hit the floor harder on an already MP intensive class, it adds essentially nothing to the class that translates into better numbers.

[Sessurea]

stop with these stupid smn threads already? U are OK. It amazes me that there are more smn threads than drg threads, especially considering there are a lot more drgs than smns.

U guys have excellent 1v1 dps. The best dps against 2-4 mobs that aren't irrelevant and die in 1 second flat. A pet to help soak damage ( thermionic beam ) , the ability to res a party member, sure it's dps loss to do so, but it can and does prevent wipes.

Really, just stop.

Why compare to bard or BLM? Brd + smn = amazing. brd+smn+blm = super efficient usage of foe+ battlevoice. The only advantage blm has over smn is the aoe burst, u really confuse me there. Do you get jelly when u see BLMs flare mobs in loldungeons? Coz nobody cares about that...

My dream party setup would be brd,blm,smn,drg.

[Sequora]

stop with these stupid smn threads already?

Really, just stop.

Have you been raiding with SMNs in 2.4? FCoB is full of long fights with no real breaks. This is leaving SMN completely mana starved half way through the fight. This leaves us with a couple options. We can either simplify our rotations (cutting out ruin II weaving between GCDs etc.) which in turn is going to lower their DPS. Or we can blow all of our aetherflow charges on energy drain significantly reducing our DPS. Optimal SMN DPS is not MP efficient. 2.4 caster gear is horrendous for SMN. BLM is better in almost every way this patch. The main argument I've seen for SMN having lower DPS is having access to battle rez. This is a very good utility ability but imo it's very overrated. Sure it can save a wipe, but once you have a fight down people really shouldn't be dying anyways.

[Eardstapa]

That mentality has lead to crappy DPS? No. Hardly. After doing massive and extensive testing with my Monk, the damage differences are literally 1-3 DPS at most, and based on RNG. And if secondaries mattered so much, people would use nothing but i110 crafted for the best DPS they can push out... And the DPS loss from having a lower main stat is much worse than having 'sub par' secondaries.

[Havenchild]

That mentality has lead to crappy DPS? No. Hardly. After doing massive and extensive testing with my Monk, the damage differences are literally 1-3 DPS at most, and based on RNG.

On your Monk. SMN is not your Monk. Your main stat is more important on other classes PARTICULARLY MNK, DRG, BLM.

SMN is a different ball game and DET has a huge effect on the damage. In general, most of the "upgrades" in this gear season, are all actually nerfs to SMNs sans for probably 2-3 gears which are essentially direct upgrades with similar stats from previous available gear. It's truly a case of how can you progress while not killing your damage.

[Eardstapa]

No, it really does not. The testing I did showed me that the damage difference between 270 det and 343 was literally 5-8 points off the minimum and maximum, and everyone claims Det is the end all be all for MNK due to auto attacks and the reduced delay between them. And that is merely BECAUSE DET is weighed in at 5.6-6 points of Det is equal to 1 STR, MND, INT or DEX. Main stats far outweigh secondaries.