Quote Originally Posted by OranKells View Post
I don't know if any of this is the answer to the problem but I certainly see where you're coming from.

Everything up till binding coil is faceroll simple; to the extent you almost have to actively try to fail and even when you do they give you enough echo to push you through it anyway. As a result I feel like a lot of players get a inflated sense of skill and don't know how to play their jobs; which leads to problems when you get to endgame and suddenly the difficulty curve spikes up and the game stopped holding your hand. This causes headaches especially when you see the massive skill gap between players if you ever have to add replacement into coil or extreme primals, or even doing high level roulette and watching monks spam dragon kick or summoners using titan-egi, blms spamming fire 3 and nothing else, you get the idea.

I'm hoping maybe we could tune down the echo buffs for stuff from now on, keep it as hard and just let the power creep nerf it as people higher and higher in ilvl. I think maybe you're doing a disservice getting players through content they shouldn't have cleared because the next fight is only harder.
If only that were the only thing many players do wrong in endgame content such as coil. The biggest reason to wiping though however is not the lack of their own skill knowledge, but quite simply a complete disregard for tactics. People stand in AoE effects, they dodge incoming attacks way too slow, are often too late on situational tactics, etc.

And often these single player mistakes lead to wipes rapidly. It'd be nice if prior to unlocking raiding content such as coil, players would first need to clear a chain of hardmode guildhests which know similar mechanics. A selection of extreme dungeons to test their dodging skills and all on 4-player content of multiple bosses. Prior to giving entry to raids. That way at least the basic training is there. It'd also become easier to add raiding content to DF faster, as only those players who managed to get through all the other content would have access to it. Of course some may get carried through, but that portion would be significantly smaller than the amount of people simply queuing up in DF for coil 1-5 right now with no experience on such sort of content whatsoever.