Please Consider Helping New Players

[Derceto]

Always try to advise new players as best I can (if I can) myself. Still curious how you get to Haukke without knowing to use overpower, etc. though. Some people just burn through things without paying the slightest attention.

So this warrior didn't know much about abilities? Alright. Was he also under the impression that he was responsible to hold 1 mob and the rest of the pt took the rest? I mean..... was he 'that' clueless still at Haukke level? If so, then it's more than likely his own fault for simply not giving the slightest bit of a care in doing things properly along his way, or in the group he was in.

Nice that you made a positive difference however. Hopefully he'll pay closer attention in his future jobs.

[Fyrebrand]

I think players who are hostile, rude, or impatient in this game need to ask themselves a couple serious questions:

Why do I treat random strangers on the internet any differently than I would treat random strangers in real life?

Why do I treat an unskilled player in DF any differently than I would treat an unskilled player in my FC?

Rude/inconsiderate players try to make up excuses for their behaviour after the fact, but is always boils down to hypocrisy, selfishness, cowardice, immaturity, and the privilege of anonymity.

[Blossoming]

Yesterday I was going through pharos for a book completion on smn. Had a tank that was new and asked for advice on the bosses as we got to them but apparently didn't like advice as he got super pissed at me when I told him to keep the bird faced away from his healer. He then went on a rant about how he was asking for any special specifics and not "tank 101', mind you he kept spinning the thing and hitting the healer with it lol. After that one I just ignored him being mad and still told him the boss mechanics he needed to know for the rest of the dungeon and he seemed fine. I'm not the one who looks down on players or talk to them like they are lesser than I am just because they are new to anything. I actually tend to go out of my way and help people clear things they need and even if we die 100 times try to keep it positive. If someones going to explain mechanics for you then you probably shouldn't be rude about it when you get what you ask for.

[allecs]

Maybe reading some of the hundreds of guides out there? Maybe taking a fc mate and going out in the empty useless world we have and grab a few mobs and practice? Maybe run the dungeon with fc mates to get a feel? Maybe warn the party that you have no idea what you're doing which really isn't an excuse because the classes aren't hard to learn. Now while I don't agree with insulting people because they're bad players, it's really no excuse to be bad in a game this easy.

For some reason this game has an abnormal amount of bad players. I left for awhile, came back and it feels like it's even more bad players now. You really can't expect everyone to explain people's classes as often as it needs to be done can you? Explaining a dungeon is one thing, explaining your class is an entirely different issue.

[Novaura]

Thanks for saying this. Because for the longest time, I wasn't aware of the fact that I wasn't using the skills of being a Dragoon effectively because my skill setup was always used for one-on-one encounters and wasn't set up for dungeons and duties. So I never really knew how to use my Dragoon skills and when I got past the main story, and started doing the advanced dungeons, I was outted and even kicked out of duties for not using the attacks that I had no idea how to use.

This was especially prominent in Brayflox's Longstop Hard. I have never seen such vicious dialogue and such hatred used by players in an MMO before and because of the reputation of the players who were doing that duty and the way they treated me, it made me HATE Brayflox's Longstop Hard.

Once someone finally told me without treating me like crap how to use all of my Dragoon skills, I was finally able to start being treated respectfully and I am more comfortable going to dungeons.

[Maza]

Movie called "Idiocracy" should be required watching in school nowadays imho. Only thing is that in the movie it's 500 years in the future when in reality I'm guessing for it to happen in more like 50 lol. Being able to hide behind the intrawebz and say or do what ever you want with no repercussions isn't a good thing and I hope some day they figure out how to make it less easy.

[NyarukoW]

.... Being able to hide behind the intrawebz and say or do what ever you want with no repercussions isn't a good thing and I hope some day they figure out how to make it less easy.

If you like censorship so much, I hear there is this nice place called North Korea. They like to have more people like you there. Some nerve to come the forum and call everyone "idiots" for being part of the "idiocracy". If you want to spam and put up advertisement for a movie unrelated to the game, the forum is not a place for that.

.... Get a couple of people like that in a row and you can easily start to think why bother?

A couple of people is hardly representative of the whole player base. Obvious trolls are obvious, and you can report them to the GM. But you need more patience and persistence than just go "why bother?" Something like T5, T7, T9 or whatever other coils will need a lot more than 50 wipes to do. New players will need to taught. The "Why bother?" attitude is one the major obstacles to being inclusive and helping new and newer players learn and progress.

[Sapphic]

A couple of people is hardly representative of the whole player base. Obvious trolls are obvious, and you can report them to the GM. But you need more patience and persistence than just go "why bother?"

I have all the patience in the world for someone who takes friendly, well mannered advice and takes it on board. I have zero patience with people who ignore everything and continue to fail at the same thing over and over and over with obviously no intentions of trying to make things better, not just for everyone else, but themselves too.

Lets use coil for an example. Turn 5 in fact. So you explain the fireball and conflags, what after 10-15 tries they dont move when they have conflag? they run away from the boss to get one shotted by the fireball? If they are not willing to listen or learn, then why bother? As will only cause frustration.

There are players willing to learn, there are also players unwilling to learn, and also players who select a language they do not understand for content they do not know. So how do you explain to them then? You can't give advice as they do not understand a word you are trying to say so continue failing at the same thing. I don't know if you speak/understand Japanese, would you enter a JP party in that case to do content you have zero knowledge of?

[Yumi_umi]

Try to help but if they won't accept help then proceed to carry and co ordinate with whomever is not acting like a sore i don't want to do it player. If that fails then just vote abandon and save them and urself the grief.
Nothing wrong in backing out if its too much to handle.