Summoner and MP

[Sequora]

It already is being doubled by a trait, is the thing.

I meant the base before the trait. Right now Energy drain restores 266 MP WITH the trait. Meaning it restores 133 without it at level 50. I think they should double the base. This means before the trait it would restore 266 MP and then with the trait it would restore 532 MP. They should also add like +20PIE when equipping the SMN job stone. This slight increase would give us slightly more max MP increasing the effect of aetherflow and increasing our mp regen slightly.

[jars]

I don't really notice mp shortages until multi dot situations come up, that really puts a hurt on my mp bar

[SummonerSenah]

This is probably a stupid idea but how much would it help to put piety on your Novus in this case or otherwise work piety into your gear? Since the amount of MP you get from Aetherflow is 20% of your total MP, you'd get more back with more piety. I'm guessing it probably wouldn't be a significant enough increase, though, or a build like that would have been done already.

[SeraviEdalborez]

This is probably a stupid idea but how much would it help to put piety on your Novus in this case or otherwise work piety into your gear? Since the amount of MP you get from Aetherflow is 20% of your total MP, you'd get more back with more piety. I'm guessing it probably wouldn't be a significant enough increase, though, or a build like that would have been done already.

You're on the right track. Unfortunately it's not mainstream because of people who knock it before they try it.

[Menae]

This is probably a stupid idea but how much would it help to put piety on your Novus in this case or otherwise work piety into your gear? Since the amount of MP you get from Aetherflow is 20% of your total MP, you'd get more back with more piety. I'm guessing it probably wouldn't be a significant enough increase, though, or a build like that would have been done already.

Piety provides slightly less than 8 mp per point; we'll call it 8 for ease of calculations. You get 2% of your mp back every 3 seconds in combat, so 40% per minute; adding Aetherflow to this makes 60%. This means that as long as you don't lose any mp from regen or Aetherflow because your mana is too high (and since this topic is about SMN mp issues, I'm assuming your mp won't be that high), every point of Piety you have will grant you 8 mp plus 4.8 per minute of fight length. In a ten minute fight, you get 56 mp from a point of Piety; a fifteen minute fight means you get 80 per point. If you throw 30 Piety on your relic, that's 2400 mp over the course of a fifteen minute fight. Whether that's worth sacrificing 30 crit or determination or whatever you would otherwise be putting on your relic I cannot say for certain.

I doubt it though.

[atomicdeath]

When a bard actually gets around to using ballad, then its all gravy. But they usually dont. Like above if i really need to Ill spend all 3 aether stacks on drain once in a long fight, and that brings me back up to a manageable level.

Also, buy a stack of X-ethers. They arent too expensive.

[ananda]

Also, buy a stack of X-ethers. They arent too expensive.

X-ethers shares cooldown with int potion, right? Is it worth it to use ether in that case?

[atomicdeath]

X-ethers shares cooldown with int potion, right? Is it worth it to use ether in that case?

IDK, even if they did it would be a situational thing like fester and drain.

[Shneibel]

X-ethers shares cooldown with int potion, right? Is it worth it to use ether in that case?

No, HQ one restore max 530 mp, and that mp will not last for long or not even worth it to trade for an INT potion. In those case I rather ask the BRD to do ballad until around 1k mp (which will not take long even when the SMN keep up attack) or when aetheflow is up to recover another 1k, then the MP will be around 1,5k to 2k which is enough for a while.

Never ever use energy drain with intention to try to recover MP or HP, BRD will not lose that much dps for use ballad for 10-15 sec, don't make a big deal out of it, just ask for ballad.

[sackm]

think you guys are missing the real issue, and that is that using energy drain is a DPS loss. We already lose to BLM in single and often multi-target scenarios. Why should SMNs have to resort to lowering their dps to restore mp when BLM does not have to this AND their single target is already superior