Samurai Job = DPS Job

[Edeline]

I'm still reeling with bemusement that they turned Dark Knight, a major DPS job from every single FF game ever, into a tank of all things. It's like giving a White Mage heavy armor and pitting them against a legendary dragon. I would have much preferred a new, unique tank rather than taking a classic job and disemboweling it.

Still, at least Samurai is sounding like the job I expected it to be. It'll be interesting to see what mechanics they'll get to make them unique compared to existing melee jobs.

Now you have to understand that every Final Fantasy is different and things may vary. They keep their dark theme with dark magic, knight armor, skill names(?) even, but what does it make it that DRK has to be >exclusively< a DPS in every FF. Also, only FFXI was an online game. If we followed your argument, there wouldn't be any tank at all in FFXIV, because there aren't tanks in other FF series, you can't have your enemies attack only 1 character of your party while we have the "trinity" in MMOs.

[Felis]

Also, only FFXI was an online game. If we followed your argument, there wouldn't be any tank at all in FFXIV, because there aren't tanks in other FF series, you can't have your enemies attack only 1 character of your party while we have the "triny" in MMOs.

Tank don't exist only in online games.
As an example in FF XIII the paradigm role Sentinel.
And it is also possible to create a tank in FF XII

[DarkStar]

Tank don't exist only in online games.
As an example in FF XIII the paradigm role Sentinel.
And it is also possible to create a tank in FF XII

Even outside those two examples, setting a character up with the heaviest armor possible means that whenever the monster decides to attack that particular character, they won't be doing much damage, making it easier for your Designated Healer to keep the party topped up.

On topic, I have mixed feelings about SAM being a DPS job. On the one hand, it wouldn't really feel right, standing at the flanks or behind your opponent and desperately hoping you don't attract their attention. On the other hand, Woo, sword-wielding DPS job, finally!

[Triston]

Even outside those two examples, setting a character up with the heaviest armor possible means that whenever the monster decides to attack that particular character, they won't be doing much damage, making it easier for your Designated Healer to keep the party topped up.

On topic, I have mixed feelings about SAM being a DPS job. On the one hand, it wouldn't really feel right, standing at the flanks or behind your opponent and desperately hoping you don't attract their attention. On the other hand, Woo, sword-wielding DPS job, finally!

That actually sounds like it would be interesting; SAM as a DPS that stands in front of the boss with the tanks? They could bring back the Third Eye ability from XI, introducing that as a mechanic for SAM as a DPS: use Third Eye to dodge Mountain Buster-type abilities, and gain a huge damage bonus when face-to-face with your target.

[Lemuria]

Now you have to understand that every Final Fantasy is different and things may vary. They keep their dark theme with dark magic, knight armor, skill names(?) even, but what does it make it that DRK has to be >exclusively< a DPS in every FF.

How about the fact that their major 'trick' is sacrificing HP for extra damage? Yeah... that just screams 'tank' right off the bat doesn't it? Cecil's Darkness skill eats 10% of their HP to double his own attack or deal heavy damage to all enemies, depending if you play the old or new version. If that isn't a DPS skill, then I'm not sure what is. EVERY incarnation of the Dark Knight has this ability so not having it would be just giving the Dark Knight name to another class.

Additionally, there has been equipment for previous Dark Knights which sacrificed your DEFENCE in exchange for OFFENSE. Even the Dissidia 012 job card had this trait. So... tell me again how Dark Knight is supposed to be a tank.

[Sylve]

So... tell me again how Dark Knight is supposed to be a tank.

A Tank is one defined as holding the attention of hostile targets so the squishier Party Members can do their job.
The PLD Tanks with a Shield to mitigate damage.
The WAR tanks with his face and uses his anger to shrug off/ignore damage (Thats how i imagine Inner Beast XD)
The DRK could well utilize his sheer destructive force to terrorize his targets into dealing less damage. I could well imagine a DRK Sacrificing 10% his HP to fuel a spell which caused affected targets to deal 30% less damage to the DRK. Theres ways and means to make it work.

[silentwindfr]

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can we stop this? can we stop to compare solo game to mmorpg game?
anyway, a dark knight is scary presence that no one can ignore, that the point of why it's a tank! it will have probably spell and skill that will cripples the enemy or scare them. it can even be a evasive tank with a sort of dark mantle, shrouding him in darkness and making him harder to hit.

and another point, a dps that will sacrify him hp for deal more damage will be a pain for the healer and most raid will simply say: "no thanks sir!" even if it's the best dps of the game! because if you are a dps, you can't really stand a hit... then reduce hp for deal more damage can be a bit.... a trouble!