<Rant> Noob players

[tiedmud]

Hi,

I just want your sincere opinions about what happened to me:

I am in charge of recruiting players for my guild and its very difficult.
So 2 new players joined and they kept asking for help, to help them kill monsters, do dungeons, etc. Then I said to them that they shouldnt need any help to play until endgame, thats just how the game is designed, unlike other mmo that you may need some help leveling.
They called me a dick and said I was rude.

Why cant they consider we dont buy a game to keep helping others and be overly altrusitic?

What do you think about it?
Thanks in advance.

[Levis]

Well with the current NIN rush (starting to die down a little) I can totally understand their viewpoint of needing help with dungeons (especially if they don't have/know a tank for ques) or if they ARE a NIN themselves and trying to catch up.

Now I do not know the context of how this all went down for your specific situation, but I would feel like if no one wanted to help then why invite us...

That said, I have had new players be overly excessive in the amount of help they want. (basically wanting everyone to focus on their needs instead of helping out equally within the FC/LS). If that was the case I say your in the clear.

I do NOT however condone their actions regardless if you were being rude or not. They should have the maturity to speak with a /message and voice their concerns rationally

[tiedmud]

Levis, Thanks for the reply!

Yes they gave me the impression that we were at their service, like as if FC are something to be exploited.
I didnt know people could be that sassy... that surprises me.
I will talk with the company officers and try to make a policy about those kind of people.

[Levis]

No Problem! Glad I could help. Ya they are rare, but we still tend to find them lol.

[Maero]

Well you must realize now because of Rogue/Ninja dps queue times are crazy long so perhaps they were looking for a tank or something?
Really not sure what your FC is about but usually players join as they want help, socialize and have fun. Myself this was more or less my first MMO
so part of the reason why we as a FC help members of all levels to level up and such.
There was no need for them to call you that but i can strongly see their viewpoint as probably the main reason to join a FC was for help.
And while most people use the term it is actually offending to use "Noob"

[Kaeda_Valentyne]

I would have to agree with Levis completely on this.
The only thing I could think to include is that it might be helpful to start an FC linkshell dedicated to helping new people learn the ropes. That way they wont spam the FC chat with questions.

The only reason I can think that they would think you were being a jerk is that this might be their first MMO and you telling them they shouldn't need help could be taken as an insult. With it being released on consoles for a lot of people this is their first MMO myself included. So a lot of the "simple" things we all know now from experience might not be so simple for someone who has never played this type of game before.
For example I didn't know anything about enmity when I started, I thought the classes were just if you wanted to heal or attack with magic or weapons. Could you imagine if I ended up rolling a tank on accident. That would have been terrible.

With that being said their are people who think you are just there to help them out. I've seen some in my FC when I started out that wanted you to stop what you were doing and help them now. They couldn't even wait 5 minutes for you to get done. Needless to say they ended up leaving because they "never" got any help LOL.

[EricCartmenez]

You want your folks to learn bad habits that you'll complain about when they get to end-game? Good way to do it. Then when the bard is kiting everything in a circle and the white mage is casting Holy from across the room with nothing nearby, you can blame yourselves and your lack of training. Don't sit on some high horse and assume that everyone is going to play your way when you show them nothing. Training your team begins from the start. Sure, you might not need to hold their hands when they're killing lady bugs in La Noscea, but you can teach them good practices when running dungeons, hests and trials. We take our new folks who want to tank and run a pre made party so that we can bring 2 tanks, a scholar and a DPS (which is essentially a five person team) in a lot of low level dungeons so they can practice tanking. Can't do that in DF. This way, we can have them observe then try while we run the dungeon. Here are bad habits. See? The party gets hurt badly or wipes as a result. Here's the right way.

As Kaeda_Valentyne points out, this is a first MMO for a lot of people. What's Aggro? Why do I need to know so many moves? Which actions are right in which occasions? What is the difference between Stun and Silence? Where do I put my attribute points? Should I meld low level clothing? What is meld? What's a crafter? Why would I want to do Botany? I was a noob to MMO when I started this too. I was an awful archer, but I thought I was doing things right. People like you just yelled, "Learn your job." And instead, I didn't get better. this isn't anything like the FPS's I'd played before, but that's how I played it. I didn't know there was a Bard job until I was about level 40!

People in our FC learn because we teach. My advice is to do them a favor and kick them from your elitist team. They'll fall into a group that has a more synergistic approach eventually.

[NorthernLadMSP]

While I'm definitely not saying you should devote all of your game time to these new people, the fact that you refused to help them with anything speaks a lot about you.

If I joined an FC and literally no one would ever help me, I would be outta there. That is the whole point of being in an FC in the first place.

[Tsuga]

OP - from my perspective, out of context, your response sounds pretty rude. I would probably drop your FC if I was shot down every time I asked for help.

For a lot of people playing an MMO is about making friends, and doing stuff together with them. I like doing stuff with my LS mates, even if it isn't necessary, just because I enjoy their company and I enjoy building relationships with them. I prefer to play with others because that is the best part of an MMO to me.

I had made many friends in 1.0 because in a lot of ways there were benefits to grouping up and even just grinding together at lower levels. It created bonds that carried over into 2.0 and even into real life in some cases!

I don't think it's fair to treat your lowbie LS mates as if they are being lazy "noobs", or expecting you to do work for them just because they want to group up with you or others in your LS/FC. Maybe they just prefer to play with people that they could have ongoing friendships/relationships with?

[NoF2P]

There's a difference between "noob" and "newb".

Recruiting for an FC is gonna be one of the hardest things you do in a game, because some players just use the help they get in order to leave and join an endgame FC. Their attitude and language can give them away, but you may still be exploited by polite players. See if they are also willing to help others.