When is it OK to say, "It's Not OK"

[HakuroDK]

Then change servers? Or FCs. Why are you annoyed you can't find anyone to raid with when you chose an RP server?

If coil is that important to you, go somewhere else.

To tell the truth? I don't give a crap about Coil as a raid. I care about coil for the story--the experience--of the damn thing. And unfortunately, the experience is tied directly into the raid. That's it. That's the only reason I want to clear it. And I only want to clear it one time. I have zero interest in the gear that drops at all. It doesn't interest me in the slightest. If I want to farm, I'd rather farm Expert Roulette because that's usually short and simple.

I am fine with challenge. But I would rather get by on my own merits because of the sheer lack of competent players in the game who can't follow a simple set of instructions to save their life.

I joined a Raid FC on Cactaur. They were very competent. They were clearing T5 all the time in 2.0/2.1. But I made the conscious choice to leave. Why? Because they refused to take me along in any of their raids and, if I spoke up and said I wanted to run Coil, they'd say they've already done it or they already have a group they're running with. The thing with Raiding FCs (or any FC for that matter) is that they are comprised almost entirely of sub-groups. "Cliques" if you will. Yeah, I was in a raid FC, but my Raid FC might as well have just been a front for a small number of static groups, none of which I was admitted into and none of which I was allowed to start up. And to be honest? I get the impression that every Raid FC is very much like that.

I'm part of an RP FC right now because they actually treat me like an equal instead of a roadie. I have an obligation to the people who have treated me like a human being so I can't leave.

I mean holy hell. For all this talk about making friends, the way you guys talk, you make friends seem more like assets that can be thrown away once their usefulness has ended. Is that what raiding is all about? Make friends with the strong players until they're no longer strong, then cast them aside? Because if that's the case, I'll wear that label of being a pathetic, lazy, good-for-nothing, zero-leadership-skills, no-ambition casual that you hardcore types love to lord over anyone who thinks Coil is actually harder than Vanilla Sas.

[Prototype909]

Watch the cutscenes online

[HakuroDK]

Watch the cutscenes online

That's ultimately my plan since I'm very likely never going to end up clearing coil anyway.

[alimdia]

If you join a group thats progressing in coil and tell them "I only want to clear once for the cutscenes, then leave", guess how many will let you in anyways...

[seida]

self-righteous stuff

No, you are making assumptions. Did I say join a hardcore raiding fc?

My FC is fairly casual, but we still do stuff together and help each other through content because that's what friends and good FCs do. Your RP FC doesn't have a few people who would be willing to practice t5 with you for your sake? I'm sure you must have enough people at level 50, and it's not like the ilvl requirements are high. So why won't your friends help you?

Because that's a good FC, with members who don't only think about themselves.

[HakuroDK]

If you join a group thats progressing in coil and tell them "I only want to clear once for the cutscenes, then leave", guess how many will let you in anyways...

Zero. Which is why, when I do run coil, I run it seriously. I usually play Main Tank and in my best party, we've gotten all the way to the Twisters before wiping, so I'm definitely not a bad player. But something always keeps happening constantly and consistently where the party just collapses. I don't even know what the hell happens. But every single time I run T5 or any of the EX Primals, we wipe for some inexplicable reason and it's never my fault because I ask my party if it is my fault and they say it isn't.

I'm just frustrated that everyone who has run stuff with me has said I am a good (or at least competent) tank, and yet I can't even clear T5 or Moogle Mog EX because something always goes wrong.

No, you are making assumptions. Did I say join a hardcore raiding fc?

My FC is fairly casual, but we still do stuff together and help each other through content because that's what friends and good FCs do. Your RP FC doesn't have a few people who would be willing to practice t5 with you for your sake? I'm sure you must have enough people at level 50, and it's not like the ilvl requirements are high. So why won't your friends help you?

Because that's a good FC, with members who don't only think about themselves.

When someone says to join another FC as it pertains to a thread about raiding, usually that means join a raiding FC unless otherwise specified.

You are actually incorrect about the members in my FC. Most of my FC members are not anywhere near high enough ilvl to clear T5 and have zero interest in that kind of progression. There are two, MAYBE three members who are geared enough to run T5 and some don't even have it unlocked. It is not on their list of priorities to achieve a high ilvl at the moment. They RP. That's what they do. And I would not push them to getting geared so they can help me because that would be me imposing myself unto them which is very unfriendly.

...and I resent the insinuation that my FC members only think about themselves. We all care for each other a hell of a lot more than you might think.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Is the coil even worth it anyway?

[Jessicake]

I personally feel like you get whatever skill level you get when you get a party through DF and if you want everyone up to snuff then you should put up a PF with your standards made clear. That is certainly debatable when it comes to Coil, which is supposed to be the toughest of the endgame content. I think it's ok to leave after a couple of tries if it's clear to you that the party is doomed, but it's never okay to verbally abuse someone ever under any circumstances. It's not suddenly ok because you're playing a video game and someone is bad at it. I see that and I'm like holy hell dude do you talk that way to everyone who mildly inconveniences you?

[alimdia]

The thing is, everytime you wipe, you need to know why it happened, and to a lesser extent who's fault it is, otherwise you will never master the fight and clear fast

[SarcasmMisser]

I am fine with challenge. But I would rather get by on my own merits because of the sheer lack of competent players in the game who can't follow a simple set of instructions to save their life

Everyone says this to the point where it could not possibly be the case if they were all telling the truth.