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    About Shiva and her dragonosexuality, in the french version of the game it's clearly stated that she had sex with a dragon, to symbolize the union between men and dragons and the possibility of a peace in this neverending war ( Which the Ishgard writters apprently tried to hide ), Shiva's last word when you kill her could also be translated as "I wish I could fly with you my beloved" clearly stating that she was in love with that dragon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WellFooled View Post
    I don't think we should take the legend of Saint Shiva so literally. The account of her lying with a dragon could well just be a metaphor for collaborating with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    Or even just straight propaganda or mythologizing.

    Those were my thoughts as well.
    In medieval times it was often said that witches 'lay with the devil'. I assumed this to be a similar thing. She allied herself with the dragons, and in time tales about her probably got worse and evolved into this.


    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    Shiva's last word when you kill her could also be translated as "I wish I could fly with you my beloved" clearly stating that she was in love with that dragon.
    She says something similar in English. I think she says "I'm sorry my beloved" (?).
    So maybe there really was more to it, but for now I am sticking with the theory that she merely sides herself with the dragons, and not literally slept with one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_89th View Post
    Those were my thoughts as well.
    In medieval times it was often said that witches 'lay with the devil'. I assumed this to be a similar thing. She allied herself with the dragons, and in time tales about her probably got worse and evolved into this.
    This isn't a great counterexample. When this quote was used in midieval times, the accusation was being made that the witch actually did have physical sex with infernal beings. It wasn't just a phrase implying an alliance with Satan - it was believed that witches gained their magical powers by having sexual intercourse with demons. Belief in such creatures was very strong back then, so accusations of that sort were taken very seriously.

    It COULD be being used euphemistically here, but I find it much more likely that the Ishgardians believe there was actual sex involved, and are not using the phrase euphemistically. And regardless - why the hangups about it? Dragons are intelligent beings, so a lot of the negative connotations of beastiality don't come into play (essentially, using a living creature as a sex toy).

    If it's the idea of tiny human / giant lizard that's squicky, we already know from the main scenario quests in Coerthas that dragons can take on human form; there's no reason to believe that actual kinky lizard sex was involved. She and a dragon became romantically involved, and when sex came into play the dragon most likely transformed into a more compatable form for both their sakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    This isn't a great counterexample. When this quote was used in midieval times, the accusation was being made that the witch actually did have physical sex with infernal beings. It wasn't just a phrase implying an alliance with Satan - it was believed that witches gained their magical powers by having sexual intercourse with demons. Belief in such creatures was very strong back then, so accusations of that sort were taken very seriously.
    True. But as the real world seems to lack the presence of any demonic beings those accusations were still ungrounded. People said that was the source of her supposed magical powers, but without any proof of a witch actually doing so. It was the fear of supernatural things that made them say a with slept with the devil. Fear, dislike, hostility, and superstition leading to accusations of sex with the devil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    Shiva's last word when you kill her could also be translated as "I wish I could fly with you my beloved" clearly stating that she was in love with that dragon.
    She says something similar to this in Japanese too EXCEPT she specifically mentions that her beloved is a dragon. "あぁ、愛しき竜よ・・・ 永遠に・・・" (Aagh, my beloved dragon... forever...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    While translation is a large part of our job, what is not known by many is that the EN localization team plays a large role in the creation of a lot of in-game terminology and lore which is then localized back into Japanese (with liberties often taken by the Japanese team so that the text might appear more appealing to their target Japanese audience).