NIN Opener / Rotation

[SpecialKK]

I'm sitting at i104 with only an atma weapon, but my DPS apparently is sub-par. With everyone reporting ridiculous DPS numbers, I'm wondering what weapon they're using. I was only able to pull about 237 in T7. Granted, that fight involves a bit of running around and switching between targets, but I'd like to know whether it's my weapon, or just a bad rotation that I'm using. Any input (minus the "git gud" comments) would be appreciated. Just trying to tell myself to stick with it and have faith that it'll get better once I get animus.

I've done the same thing. I enjoy the mechanics of NIN,even with the mudras. But I just can't keep my DPS up with my dragoon (which, according to everyone, shouldn't be the case). I feel like there is a variable with when the pull is made based on where you are in Huton effect that if you hit the sweet spot, then everything falls in place and all your rotation/priority clicks.

I'm still fiddling with it (even some people from the FC trying to help me out with my rotation), but I can't just quite get it. Of course, I've been playing DRG for a year now so I have the rotation down pat. But with NIN, it feels like one mistake in my rotation throws my DPS down the dumps quickly...and that's not even factoring in delay of Mudra

[Cynric]

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Priority based pulling

Huton 70 -60 s : Start with Mutilate SE SF Option A Kassatsu into Suiton for Trick early, Option B Perform SE GS DE rotation and when mudra CD finishes > Suition TA and Kration are available
Huton 60- 65 s : Buff during SE GS DE Suiton > TA to apply DoT with all buffs and Kraiton
Huton 55 - 45 s : Suiton / pop buffs and TA as soon as possible then apply DoTs
Huton 40s or less : You should just reapply huton at this point buuuuut if you don't it's the same as 55-45 s

I'd like to note that this is only for bosses. for trash it doesn't matter as much.

[Butcherboy]

Ok did some practicing on a dummy and just doing rot without weaving OGCD stuff(this assuming everything is down), SE GS DE(20 sec) /SE SF(18sec)/ Mut(30sec)/ SE GS AE, after that I have 5 sec left for Mut, DE 5 sec left and SF 6 sec left. Refreshing DE and SF works out perfectly by the time I hit my second Mut but I end clipping Mut by 5 sec. Now I can see clipping DE since it's just a debuff.

Ok did some more testing and I think for when OGCD here's my rot
SE GS DE 20 sec
SE SF 18 sec
Mut 30 sec
SE GS AE

Part 2 of rot

SE GS DE (3sec left) 20 when refresh
SE SF (4sec left) 18 when refresh
Mut (8sec left) no refresh
SE GS AE

part 3

SE GS DE (had 5 sec left) 20 refresh
Mut (0 sec) 30 refresh
SE SF(1 sec) 18 refresh
SE GS AE

[Zamii]

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there no need to refresh DE after the first one as a warrior should have it up by this point.

[Kaze3434]

Remember that DoT ticks are not affected by resistance down and vulnerability debuffs on mobs.
So only the initial 60 potency of Mutilate, and the 200 Potency of Shadow Fang will be affected.
So it is probably worth getting Dancing Edge up before Shadow Fang, but only a 6 potency increase for Mutilate.

looked thru and no one brought it up, but dots are affected by vul down debuff. dots from all sources except potions.

[Butcherboy]

Yes DE DEBUFF if war can keep up it. But they won't.

[Alistaire]

Yes it'll get stronger to 100 potency but that's nothing really to brag about

Not sure what you think other jobs do for aoe but here's some #'s:
MNK: 50, 0, 130, repeating, 170 off gcd every minute. NIN wins. (except perfect balance rockbreaker spam every 4 minutes @ 130 repeating)
BRD: 110 repeating, 35 dot up half the time, bonus if with a caster. Without caster involvement I'm sure it's close if not slightly less than nin.
DRG: 100 repeating unless neatly lined up, then 160 repeating but elevated tp cost. 250 off gcd every 2 minutes
SMN: kinda hard to calculate but goes down when there's 5+ mobs.
BLM: even the king of aoe is still mostly doing 100 potency hits a high amount of the time, just with things that boost it.

NIN aoe is just fine. Better than MNK and possibly preferable to all but BLM when paired with another melee and/or war tank.

[Qooo]

BLM aoe should be Fire II 180 potency and Flare 468 potency under Astral 3.

[Destinova]

Huton > DE > Mutilate > Fang > AE > setup for next AE (use SE and GS) pop IR BfB Suiton Kass TA Ration Finish AE hit jugilate and mug

I hit 500+ with this opener. I just have to work on my sustained.

[ShaolinMike]

Huton > DE > Mutilate > Fang > AE > setup for next AE (use SE and GS) pop IR BfB Suiton Kass TA Ration Finish AE hit jugilate and mug

I hit 500+ with this opener. I just have to work on my sustained.

Just curious, what weapon do you have, and what's your overall ilvl? I'm asking because I feel like my DPS is garbage, BUT I only have atma weapon.