NIN Opener / Rotation

[Dante_V]

When we parse our Ninjas we count from the first move cast. The cast of Huton initiates the parse, if you are waiting the 10 - 20 secs before attacking that should be included into the number as zero DPS. That's 10-20 seconds of no dps. Otherwise you are legitimately loading the number to a very circumstantial degree. Most situations do not allow you to stand there and wait for your cool down and for all intents this should be counted against your dps. From an objective context any move that results in unsheathing your weapon should be counted as the initiation of a parse.

Another downside to going straight into TA is that you aren't capturing most of the team dps burst in the ten second window as most take a few GCDS to get to their sweet spot so you would be again falsely inflating your own dps but in this instance at the expense of your teams average.

[Cynric]

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Okay so while your party is casting stoneskin/protect/succor prepull everyone in your party is counting zero DPS because the fight started right? 8 stoneskins at the most 2.5s per Stoneskin, It's very easy to prebuff huton during this time.

By your logic while the Whms and Scholars are prebuffing the party I should run at the enemy before everyone else is ready.

[Mardel]

Another downside to going straight into TA is that you aren't capturing most of the team dps burst in the ten second window as most take a few GCDS to get to their sweet spot so you would be again falsely inflating your own dps but in this instance at the expense of your teams average.

I somewhat agree with this, for monk / drg this is true.

[treuhavik]

Another downside to going straight into TA is that you aren't capturing most of the team dps burst in the ten second window as most take a few GCDS to get to their sweet spot so you would be again falsely inflating your own dps but in this instance at the expense of your teams average.

I somewhat agree with this, for monk / drg this is true.

Even starting the fight with Huton (which you'd better fcking do), a Ninja isn't going to be immediately using TA. It's going to be around 8-12 seconds, plenty of time for any decent Monk to have GL3 from PB and a Dragoon will likely be applying Chaos Thrust in time to catch the vulnerability. It couldn't be more perfect for the other melee.

[Mardel]

Even starting the fight with Huton (which you'd better fcking do), a Ninja isn't going to be immediately using TA. It's going to be around 8-12 seconds, plenty of time for any decent Monk to have GL3 from PB and a Dragoon will likely be applying Chaos Thrust in time to catch the vulnerability. It couldn't be more perfect for the other melee.

Ya, of course have huton up. I'm just agreeing that people should probably delay their TA ever so slightly.

[Sleigh]

When we parse our Ninjas we count from the first move cast. The cast of Huton initiates the parse, if you are waiting the 10 - 20 secs before attacking that should be included into the number as zero DPS. That's 10-20 seconds of no dps. Otherwise you are legitimately loading the number to a very circumstantial degree. Most situations do not allow you to stand there and wait for your cool down and for all intents this should be counted against your dps. From an objective context any move that results in unsheathing your weapon should be counted as the initiation of a parse.

From an objective context any attack should be counted as the initiation of a parse, not any action. Not a buff. Enrage timer starts upon first attack, DPS checks for phase pushes start at first attack, the MP lifeblood of your healers starts at first attack ... not when you unsheathe your weapon.

You can realistically do anything you want before a tank pull, buff wise. Huton 15s before pull, pre-buff if you're into that. No reason why you should mandate that's part of your DPS.