NIN Opener / Rotation

[Aiurily]

Its not extra its just quicker and puts kassatsu on CD faster so its up faster.

yeah, i understand that. was just talking about this quote in particular.

Huton prepull >(10s is best start , 10s gives you an extra raiton without losing huton for even one second, anymore than 11 s before start and the extra raiton will cause you to lose huton for a bit)

anyway; i think NIN should have at least 2 openers depending on the situation. for example, for a PUG where you have no idea when the tank will pull, your best best is to go for a huton on pull opener. while in something more coordinated, you may want to do 10s or 15s wait to get your TA off faster. depending on when your raid applies their buffed burst hits, it can be good to change your initial TA timing to synergize best with those big hits, on top of being a DPS increase for you ofc

[Cynric]

snip

It's cause my rotation is very exact in terms of timings. if you start too late in the rotation huton with be at less than 20 seconds once you get to where you can do your second raiton. Less than 20 s on Huton + mudra CD 20s = a loss of huton uptime if you raiton sub 18 seconds or more. You can still raiton and be fine but the later you started after your huton applicated the less time you'll have on it since huton is always ticking.

the later you start a fight after huton the less damage you can do before you have to reapply it.
70-60s Huton (0-10s) You get to start the fight with DoTs full ticks if you start right after huton but starting right after huton you lose sui kass Rai rai when everyones buffs are up.
50s Huton (20s start) have to start with burst combo and early trick Sui @ 50s > Kass Rai Rai(30s) Can't start with DoTs.
40s Huton(30s start) have to throw everything on CD early depending on how fast you do this (sui @40 s etc) you may or may not have enough time to do a double raiton even without DoTs.