NIN Opener / Rotation

[Ehayte]

Interesting points and too much for me to wrap my head around right now (at work), but I'm not entirely convinced applying DoTs before buffs given that timing is most appropriate with the whole scope included... hmmmm.

[Cynric]

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Well look at it like this I'll try to make it more simple. I have mutilate and Fang ticking while I apply Dancing combo, At this point you're already bursting your CDs down, Then you fall off and only got the single mutilate and SF out fully buffed, while I start bursting with my full buffs up.

By doing it the way I said it you do get to have SF combo, Aeolian combo, Raiton, Mutilate, Mug, Jugulate, all buffed by Trick B4B IR and Dancing,but you also get an extra 5 ticks of Mutilate and an extra 4 ticks of SF as well as no wasted time on buffs. You also get an earlier start 10s vs 15 s. The biggest difference is my rotation you really need to be doing Ninjutsu in the 2ish seconds it takes. But optimizing doesn't usually leave room for mistakes.

tl;dr : You get 4 extra ticks of SF , 5 extra ticks of mutilate, plus full mutilate , full shadow, full aeolian, raiton, suiton, all fully buffed and room to add a potion in to increase the buff damage vs just the full mutilate, shadow raiton and suiton.

[Ephier]

Interesting points and too much for me to wrap my head around right now (at work), but I'm not entirely convinced applying DoTs before buffs given that timing is most appropriate with the whole scope included... hmmmm.

K, I'll show you math why dots first is better.

Mutilate first: 60/300-150-200/240-150-200-260 - 1290 potency
Shadow Fang First: 150-200/240-60/300-150-200-260 - 1270 potency
Dancing Edge first: 150-200-250-165-220/240-66/300 - 1101 potency

Dots first is better.

[Sleigh]

K, I'll show you math why dots first is better.

Mutilate first: 60/300-150-200/240-150-200-260 - 1290 potency
Shadow Fang First: 150-200/240-60/300-150-200-260 - 1270 potency
Dancing Edge first: 150-200-250-165-220/240-66/300 - 1101 potency

Dots first is better.

I haven't looked into it much myself yet and am not taking sides, but your math doesn't apply B4B/IR/TA to the potencies. The argument so far is if unbuffed DoTs first is better, or putting up Dancing first in favor of giving enough time to make your first DoTs ~25% (10% from B4B, 10% from TA, ~5% from IR) stronger a few GCDs later than initially.

At a glance it seems buffing up before DoTs yields more potency but as I said I haven't looked into it enough to even have a valid opinion.

[Ephier]

I haven't looked into it much myself yet and am not taking sides, but your math doesn't apply B4B/IR/TA to the potencies. The argument so far is if unbuffed DoTs first is better, or putting up Dancing first in favor of giving enough time to make your first DoTs ~25% (10% from B4B, 10% from TA, ~5% from IR) stronger a few GCDs later than initially.

At a glance it seems buffing up before DoTs yields more potency but as I said I haven't looked into it enough to even have a valid opinion.

I did math a couple days ago, but it was still in favor of dots with the gap getting larger. Even with TA, the boost did not help DE first.