NIN Opener / Rotation

[Kenji1134]

Remember that DoT ticks are not affected by resistance down and vulnerability debuffs on mobs.
So only the initial 60 potency of Mutilate, and the 200 Potency of Shadow Fang will be affected.
So it is probably worth getting Dancing Edge up before Shadow Fang, but only a 6 potency increase for Mutilate.

[Alistaire]

Remember that DoT ticks are not affected by resistance down and vulnerability debuffs on mobs.
So only the initial 60 potency of Mutilate, and the 200 Potency of Shadow Fang will be affected.
So it is probably worth getting Dancing Edge up before Shadow Fang, but only a 6 potency increase for Mutilate.

If by vulnerability debuffs you mean trick attack, yes dot ticks are affected, the dot amount is also set at the first of it so if you shadow fang/mutilate while trick attack is up, it's 10% more for every tick even after TA wears. Dummy-tested.

isnt that the same as say Shadow Flare have no use in single target battle (assume boss fight)?

Doton : Potency 30, 24s
Shadow Flare: Potency 25, 30s

it is as good as Shadow Flare, I don't know why you say it is not worth it

Because shadow flare isn't on any shared timers (except preventing sch from using sacred soil which you wouldn't do on a single target anyway)

Every 20 seconds you get 1 option: to Doton for 240 potency which may not even all get applied, or raiton for 360 potency (when you don't need to use it for suiton/huton). Clear case. Even with 2 mobs they both have to live 18 seconds just to equal a raiton.

Edit: and with any # of mobs they have to live an average of 6 ticks to equal katon. 7 to beat it, and it's only 8 ticks. It's really only when you know for sure 3+ mobs will last full duration.

[Kaze3434]

Remember that DoT ticks are not affected by resistance down and vulnerability debuffs on mobs.
So only the initial 60 potency of Mutilate, and the 200 Potency of Shadow Fang will be affected.
So it is probably worth getting Dancing Edge up before Shadow Fang, but only a 6 potency increase for Mutilate.

looked thru and no one brought it up, but dots are affected by vul down debuff. dots from all sources except potions.