Quote Originally Posted by Cynric View Post
on paper doton looks stronger. but 24s is a pretty long time with death blossom every 2s + your other party doing AoE. I don't think i've run into a lot of situations where Doton gets to fully tick on anything if I do a buffed katon first while spamming buffed dbs

on another note though doton, and hyoton are amazing in pvp.
I don't know what scenarios you are talking about, but you pre-cast B4B/IR and your Katon so that you can cast it as soon as the enemies are in position, and then quickly do Kassatsu -> Doton... And Doton only needs to last for 18 secs to be as good as Katon, meaning that if the enemies last for more than like 20 seconds, it's worth doing Doton. With Ninja's crappy AoE dps, they usually last more than that.

No point in arguing about it though... It still sucks