NIN Opener / Rotation

[Destinova]

Sorry should included that. Ilvl 110 and just got the high all again cleavers.

[Butcherboy]

I like the suiton opening a couple pages back, can you check that?

[Aiurily]

yep, mudra speed is killer. 520-530 on a dummy parse simulating a raid environment, sure! easy/consistent.

but in something like the first 40% of t11 (which is basically 100% uptime) with how laggy the fcob instances are, maintaining 510+ is annoying and hard lol. literally days between each mudra cast

[Tsuya]

yep, mudra speed is killer. 520-530 on a dummy parse simulating a raid environment, sure! easy/consistent.

but even doing the first 40% of t11 (which is basically 100% uptime) with how laggy the fcob instances are, maintaining 510+ is annoying and hard lol

I did 10 and 11 on my NIN and max i was getting was 490, wich was good anyway but still.
Someone recommended to me using VPN, gonna try it today.
Lets not OT too much here then

[Ehayte]

Ooshima, very nice. I'd love to see a video of your opener and sustain rot.

[PROBOUND]

I figured i'd post this video here of Firana Magnus' rotation/opener (520 3min). He has a channel on twitch called Wabakabi Snatcher.

I'm not sure if it differs from any of the other rotations posted here so hopefully you guys can pick it apart. Firana has since obtained the i130 Magitek Daggers so his dummy parse will be substantially higher but this was with HA weapon, party buff and no potion apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5lTcltM_Uo

[Casper]

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Point is there is a heavy difference beween the dps posted by Firana and the one posted by Ooshima.

Firana does 520 with party buff (about 3% increased dps), food (about 1.5% dps increase), and HA (3-4% dps increase). That's about 8% increase compared to none of it. When i do my dummy rotation i usually ends up if i don't mess up in the low 470 range, and that's with body, ring and bracelet 120 (but not optimized gear). With 8% more i would reach about 510. With a bit of luck on crits and on mudra's timing, i can see the 520 with full i110 + ha/food/party.

Ooshima showed a parse indicating 518 without HA nor party buff (i assume still food). This is MUCH, MUCH higher than what firana demonstrated, and i have no clue how those numbers are achieved. Thus, i would appreciate, too, full disclosure on those parse: what gear is exactly used ? I use gear that is not BIS, although it shouldn't make much of a difference, but i assume i need to keep 510+ acc; allowing oneself to gimp the accuracy could result in up to 5% dps increase that is "hidden". Using pots could be a difference too. If there are no such explanation, then i would like to understand what is so different in the rotation that explains a 5-6% difference.

It is also possible that it was one very very lucky run. It is only 3 min long after all. The parse shown indicate a crit rate of 34% overall. To achieve such a result would require over 400 additional crit rate, so over 740 crit rate stat. That is not even possible at this point. With full i110 stuff, you can not go higher than ~520 crit rate, which would be slightly less than 20% crit rate. And that is by seriously slacking on the accuracy (sub 450).

Anyway, that means the parse had a crit rate at the very least 14% superior to what it should have been, possibly even more. That is an outlier, not a trend. And 14% increased crit rate would be 7% more damage, explaining the difference with other people that only parse at 460 maximum on the average dummy run.

I just think it's important to be sure what we are talking about. Claiming ninjas can regularly pull out > 500 parse without party nor HA in full i110 is not going to help us in any way.

[Tsuya]

I figured i'd post this video here of Firana Magnus' rotation/opener (520 3min). He has a channel on twitch called Wabakabi Snatcher.

I'm not sure if it differs from any of the other rotations posted here so hopefully you guys can pick it apart. Firana has since obtained the i130 Magitek Daggers so his dummy parse will be substantially higher but this was with HA weapon, party buff and no potion apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5lTcltM_Uo

My previous opening looked quite similar, its quite cool coz it leaves space for mistakes, runoffs etc, but it had 1 big disadventage.
First TA goes off after 30 sec of a fight when most of you party members are out of buffs (BfB, IR etc), iv been talking with DPSses from my FC and i decided to muve first TA to 16-20 second of the fight when most of our DPS are on buffs and during heavy burst damage. Ofcorst this varies from diffirent play styles / rotations of your party DPSses but it works for mine, we parsed bouth of my rotations with standard rotations of my DPS buddies, muving TA to first 20 sec showed increse in everyones DPS becouse of the reason i said above.

Lately i also started to practice my rotation without DE, becouse in 99% cases u will have WAR in your team and rotation comes out quite diffirent (expecially start of it) when u take into consideration that u dont have to put up DE.
We all know we cannot trust random WARs in keeping up debuff on boss, but i think most of us practice not for doing some stuff with randoms, but end game with your team where u can agree with your team WAR to keep up buff or not and then come from of that.

[Ehayte]

Thanks for the post, Pro - be interested to see the itemization on that gear. NIN is the first class that I'm actually considering that on - I have avoided skill speed like the plague for MNK, but it seems like it has a significant impact on DPS to get your GCD to 2.0s

[treuhavik]

Ooshima's crit rate is obscene and, as Casper pointed out, is an exception - blessed by RNGeesus. We need more parses with 486~ Sksp, not just the 'best of', to determine the 2s GCD's true worth.

When you talk about those numbers @ full i110 with UAT weapon, this is what I imagine the gear being; http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/ONQR, which is ridiculous.