NIN Opener / Rotation

[Aiurily]

you don't need to be so defensive; that was just a simple statement about how letting huton fall off for 1 gcd isn't bad. the only thing you mentioned that might have been related was casting raiton at 18s on huton, which would mean you'd cast huton 2s after it falls off, or about 1 regular gcd, but in no way was it reading too much into your post lol.

and again, the only real reason to have precast huton and wait from 5-20s is to get your next ninjutsu (suiton usually) off earlier. anything past 20s is a dps loss and unheard of, really. saying it's an "extra" raiton without huton falling off is pretty misleading; it's the same basic ninjutsu rotation since day 1. double raiton with kassatsu after suiton, otherwise [huton>suiton>raiton] xN

if you couldn't tell with the various "laggy/slow mudras" threads, the majority of ninjas will not get 3 seals+huton ninjutsu off without clipping into their 2.5s GCD (especially in more laggy instances), which is why it'd be acceptable to have huton fall off for that 1 gcd. if you can do that and feel like it, feel free to make a quick, 5s video proving you have good ping~

[Cynric]

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Sure, hope you like cell phone videos.

By the by I wasn't the one being defensive. You really did read too much into what I said.

An "extra" raiton means you get 2. I also used 18 S as an example for when you start to lose Huton once again you're reading too much into it, 18s and below is when you start losing huton for a GCD yes. That's all I said.

[Ehayte]

I would assume the safe bet for best AE rot is Doton > Katon > Kassatsu > Katon.

Another quick question that might be answered quickly or take some more discussion: I have always struggled (and my struggled I mean it takes me more effort than I feel like it should, not that I am failing) with monitoring my buffs and debuffs during a fight with MNK and NIN. Anyone have a screen shot of a UI set up that puts everything in front of your face in a major way? I wish I could just set up my UI so that my buffs and the debuffs I have on the boss are translucent in the middle of the screen, lol.

[Aphel]

I would assume the safe bet for best AE rot is Doton > Katon > Kassatsu > Katon.

Katon is straight up 180 potency, and Doton has to tick for 18 secs (Doton icon duration goes from 24secs->6secs) to match that. And even then a full 24sec Doton (if the mob stays in there the entire fight) applies 240 potency. That's an extra 60 potency compared to Katon, per mob.

I would say that if mobs are going to die sooner than 18secs, you might as well go with Katon. If they're going to last more than 18secs, Doton might be better if they remain in the circle all the way through.

[Leonus]

So 486 sks is the good number for nin? If so how does that make BIS look in terms of acc/det/crit for nin?

SkS is helping keep our dots on a tighter loop.

I'd like to test it for myself too. Just curious.

Idk why but, I don't like impulse drive as a filler...

[Ooshima]

Idk why but, I don't like impulse drive as a filler...

Thanks but ID as filler... IDK. I took Mantra as the last cross :X

[Zamii]

The opener that i've eventually come up with allows me to spike to ~800 dps if its done right just on a dummy without a party or food (i110 weapon)

Huton (20s before pull ideally) > Suiton > Spinning Edge > Blood for Blood > Gust Slash > Internal Release > Dancing Edge > Dex pot > Spinning Edge > Trick Attack > Shadow Fang > Kassatsu > Mutilate > Raiton > Spinning Edge > Mug > Gust Slash > Jugulate > Aeolian Edge.

i realize this is longer than most openers, but its the only one i've made/found that actually involves potions and seems to work quite well for now, plus it doesn't waste time on b4b/IR by using them pre-pull like most do.

[Aiurily]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqutYpkQqmg

huton nin opener

full duration mutilate>sf with ir+bfb>sf and mutilate with bfb and ta, no clipping

[Snugglebutt]

Mine is only level 39 so have not put into practice all skill sets or done any raids on this one yet but my opener is different to what most people do I think. I will use lighting/fireball mudra while running towards to mob(s) followed by throwing knives and then when close enough pop DoTs onto it, then I begin my normal combo sequence finishing that first one with dancing edge I think it is called then back to normal rotation without dancing edge until I need to reapply DoTs. But like said I am only level 39 right now so do not have access yet to quite a few mudra's and other skills. I consider my rotation so far good for the level I am at as I am not waiting on till standing right next to the mob before I have started DPSing it. My rotation will evolve the more skills I unlock. Enjoying the class a lot still and I prefer building/experimenting with my own rotations based on my own experience since more fun than just copy+pasting someone elses.

[Butcherboy]

I just hit 47 and Doton is amazing in dd. but in my opinion ninja AOE is bad. I mean don't get me wrong I fcking lov the job but there AOE is not the to to if u want to b a ninja