NIN Opener / Rotation

[Casper]

So, in a nut-shell, unless you're wearing crafted, penta-melded gear, you'll be making a trade of DET/Crit for SkSp, resulting in extremely minimal DPS gains, if any. Movement in fights is irrelevant, since it applies to both cases.

Pretty much this.

[Alistaire]

So, in a nut-shell, unless you're wearing crafted, penta-melded gear, you'll be making a trade of DET/Crit for SkSp, resulting in extremely minimal DPS gains, if any. Movement in fights is irrelevant, since it applies to both cases.

And even then best to max crit and det first.

[PROBOUND]

Firana Magnus has since updated his rotation and has provided 3 new videos for us to pick apart. It seems he employs at least a 10s wait before engaging for an early TA. He posted a thread on reddit so i'll just copy the info here.

Recently discovered a new opening (Credit to Maya Tatsumi from Finale on Excalibur), so decided to do some tests with it.

Gear is i118 with the i130 weapon, 3 FCoil Drops and 1 crafted piece. I think I bring up my gear in the second video.

Would like some feedback on these and see if there's anything better that could be done within the opening.

Also how do people feel on opening with DoTs vs opening with Dancing Edge (Obviously in raid scenarios you have a warrior who opens with SE).

552.08 - No Party, No Food, No X-Pots
563.16 - Party, Food, No X-Pots
581.37 - Party, Food, X-Pots

Edit Rotation for visual ref:
Huton (15 secs) > (IR)Spin > (Blood)Gust > Dancing(Water) > Spin(Trick) > Shadow (Reset) > Mutilate(Thunder) > Spin(Mug) > Gust(Jug) > AEOL> Spin > Gust > Dancing > Spin > Shadow > Spin > Gust >Thunder > AEOL > Mutilate > Spin> Gust > Dancing> Spin > Shadow> Spin > Gust> AEOL> Huton

[treuhavik]

Firana Magnus has since updated his rotation and has provided 3 new videos for us to pick apart. It seems he employs at least a 10s wait before engaging for an early TA.

That's interesting... He opens with a fully buffed DE, TA, SF then Mutilate. He's waiting 15s after Huton, giving himself 5s to get DE up before casting Suton.

Currently, I'm opening with fully buffed Mutilate, SF, DE and last night was parsing 471 over 3:30~ @ a poorly optimized i112 with i110 weapon, no food, pots or party. I'll have to test that DE opener this evening and see what happens to that number.

[Zeviand]

The opener that i've eventually come up with allows me to spike to ~800 dps if its done right just on a dummy without a party or food (i110 weapon)

Huton (20s before pull ideally) > Suiton > Spinning Edge > Blood for Blood > Gust Slash > Internal Release > Dancing Edge > Dex pot > Spinning Edge > Trick Attack > Shadow Fang > Kassatsu > Mutilate > Raiton > Spinning Edge > Mug > Gust Slash > Jugulate > Aeolian Edge.

i realize this is longer than most openers, but its the only one i've made/found that actually involves potions and seems to work quite well for now, plus it doesn't waste time on b4b/IR by using them pre-pull like most do.

Funny how when someone "credible" posts something and everyone starts to pay attention. This similar opening was posted a few pages back, but I guess he wasn't known enough for anyone to notice... ive used the opener above for everything, especially dps races like t12 where we push 4 bennus.

[Zeviand]

Just needs a bit of coordination with the tank pulling so that you suiton during the pull to have as much dps uptime as possible.

[treuhavik]

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Similar, yes. Any opening involving DoTs and Dancing Edge is similar. If Zamii want's to post vids or a parse screenshot showing that his opener nets higher encDPS, he's more than welcome.

[Zamii]

Similar, yes. Any opening involving DoTs and Dancing Edge is similar. If Zamii want's to post vids or a parse screenshot showing that his opener nets higher encDPS, he's more than welcome.

i would, but since i live in australia my jutsu latency is horrible, so obviously im not going to pull the same dps as someone with a somewhat decent ping, and sadly all anyone cares about is the raw numbers, and it seems as if no one wants to do the trial themselves.

[Aiurily]

yeah, i think a lot of people were using something quite similar for a suiton opener (http://goo.gl/f3NCWe). the ideal time to pull at is 5s left on ninjutsu, but you'd be starting your chain at around 4s (otherwise you're waiting a little bit after dancing edge for ninjutsu to come up) you use DE first instead of dots first since it aligns better in general with the rotation

if you plan to not use or save the x-pot, you can move IR up to be after GS to get the next AE to benefit from the 10% crit from it. otherwise you'd have to IR prepull to find a spot to fit that x-pot in. anyway, overall you get one set of fully buffed dots up during ta, and ta up about 8.5s into the pull. some missed windows for some of the first dot applications for some classes, but i think a lot of classes also refresh their dots in that 10s debuff timeframe

honestly, in a 3m-4m parse, your opening rotation isn't going to vastly affect your dps imo. as long as it's somewhat acceptable logically (potency wise generally), any optimized opener in a huton wait category (cast on pull, 15s, 10s, 5s) that would increase your personal dps by more than 1% (like a lucky crit streak can) would be surprising to me. it's why i mentioned in the first few pages of the thread that it's best to just adjust your opener to benefit your raid's dot applications/burst/reapplication the most; working your TA around your raid's burst/dot application windows is the best dps contribution overall imo