Let Players Speed Run Again

[Leigaon]

Majority of people aren't fans of speed running. You put too much stress on a new player and most of these vets won't listen if they see a new guy who isn't up in iLV to do the spam aoe thing. It didn't use to be like that but because people like the OP forced it on others it became so bad that they've added things to slow you down..or remove things that these speed runners would ignore such as..Bee's. People who want to run through it ignore mechanics and if there happens to be a mechanic that is required to win the run they still try to push through time after time until people quit just like AK. I've had to deal with people wiping to the bee's maybe..8 / 9 times because they go "no just ignore it's how my last party did it!" So..if you don't like speedruns you really have people like yourself to blame. Forcing that kind of dungeon runs on people who are new or don't want to do it. Yes that's what PF is for..but lets be honest if you could speed run there's nothing that would restrict it to being just in party finder.

Speed runs are boring to me, they offer no fun in the game. You just go blind in both eyes or your graphics card explodes lol. Seems like the dev's agree and are going to continue to do it. If you don't like it I suggest you find another game. On the other hand, I do believe you're entitled to have fun in this game, if they happen to put up dungeons again you can speed run i'll end up doing them, I won't have fun but I will do them. Or maybe this game isn't for you and you should quit..I dunno..can't please everyone. Some things you just have to bite the bullet and take. You make this sound like it's a chore, and if something in a video game feels like a chore, equal to going to work and being handed a bunch of stuff you don't want to do..then maybe this game isn't for you. You really don't seem like you're having a fun time in this game. See you in Destiny.

[Ellatrix]

If by default, DF turns into speedruns, then hey, the majority wanted to do speedruns on content that serves no purpose other than to grind through! Typically, people want to do grind content in an efficient manner so that they can get back to the fun things.

Those wanting to fight 1 mob at a time are in the minority, and unfortunately, SE catered to them. Oh well, you can have your 30min baby dungeons, I cap out doing coil/trials anyway so no need to step into it.

[Jinrya-Geki]

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And here is the person who only read the title and opened their big mouth without reading the posts.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Alright, I'll step back in then. . . So it's mechanics more so than party/individual ability?

Tell me, what mechanics did Brayflox HM have? Because all I remember is weak, easy to dodge aoes, and an enemy gauntlet.

Let's call it like it is - you don't like dungeons, plain and simple. Or rather you ONLY like dungeons that are plain and simple? I imagine you must not like Coil either? You know, T6 and its forced stops, or T7 and its enemy waves that must be killed before the next wave can spawn. . . Sorry, it's all relative, and if you don't like dungeon mechanics, then you simply don't like dungeons.

And to Ellatrix: I cap just like you do, helping others with "baby dungeons", trials, Coil (any turn, any time), guildhests, and literally anything asked of me where and when I can, and all without the sense of superiority. Though I must say, it does look kinda nice on this high horse of yours.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Oh yeah (can't edit from my phone), I know I'm being snarky in saying so, but it could be said that speed running isn't as possible or easy as before due to the fact that these are no longer "baby" dungeons.

You might ask, "Why ThirdChild, whatever do you mean?" Well, consider the fact that our new Expert dungeons call for an average item level of 80. . . That's higher than the original Turn 4, but below (only slightly below) Turn 5.

I can't say it enough; the bar got raised. The "baby" dungeons grew up some.

[Jinrya-Geki]

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I like coil. The trash mobs die fast, and getting to the boss is quick. The boss fights have interesting mechanics. I enjoy turn 9 the most. It's not simple tank and spank. It requires a brain.

Turn 7 has pit stops but the mobs die fast so it doesn't bother me. It's quicker to clear turns than it is to clear a new dungeon. That's pretty sad to me. That something deemed easier takes longer.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I like Coil too. I actually LOVE it. It's my most favorite part of the game, so far. And Turns have always been faster to clear than dungeons. You're not there to level or gain XP, no? And the challenge lies not in the length but the MECHANICS, right? Proportionately, they're more akin to guildhests. Which again, really fuels my "Expert Guildhests" idea, especially for the types like yourself that don't mind a challenge, but don't enjoy lengthy instances.



Also, you finally said what might really be the issue here:

I like coil. The trash mobs die fast, and getting to the boss is quick. The boss fights have interesting mechanics. I enjoy turn 9 the most. It's not simple tank and spank. It requires a brain.

Turn 7 has pit stops but the mobs die fast so it doesn't bother me. It's quicker to clear turns than it is to clear a new dungeon. That's pretty sad to me. That something deemed easier takes longer.

Honestly, that really equates to "I don't like dungeons or like lengthy instances. And anything that doesn't die quickly bores me." This isn't me putting words in your mouth, mind you, and please don't take it as such. But the feeling behind many of your posts is that you're bored or bothered by anything that makes a dungeon feel "longer", i.e. mechanics, forced stops, tougher enemies, etc. You like to raid, believe me, I can totally relate. But not everything can be like Coil, or earlier dungeons that were only able to be speedrun because not only were we already WELL overgeared - and without level syncs - but we were only getting even more overgeared then. Why do you think T4 is being farmed now?

Sadly, there are people who are just completely disinterested in raiding/Coil, because it's so "difficult". But they like dungeons. Those same people have caught up to the raiding types in gear levels and maybe skills now, so dungeons have to become more than they were. I can't stress it enough. For you, who may simply not like dungeons, yes, it's an added hassle, and I'm sorry. But not everything can be like Coil, and not everything can be, should be, or be forced to be speedrun.

[Seoulstar]

Or you can just simply suck it up..nothing is worse than jumping into a dungeon just for the tank to do a surprise speed run.

[ShinigamiZero]

Not trying to sound offensive but it sounds like you have borderline attention deficit disorder. Seconds of not attacking feeling like minutes or hours.. Anyways, speed running takes away the feeling of the instance as it was intended. I enjoy speed running myself sometimes (only pulling stuff as a tank) Mashing AoE's on large groups is not fun at all as a dps unless you're blm. I understand having the option to do it but it's never an option if it exists. New tanks are always forced to speed run and if they don't they get booted. I've seen it enough times myself and rather have monster placement as they have it now. THOUGH they could make an expert dungeon just for people that like to go fast and pull things.. but leave the dungeons as they are now.

[Delorean]

Majority of people aren't fans of speed running.

the majority of players are also pretty awful

but that really doesn't have anything to do with the fact that players who wish to speed run may not speed run.

or remove things that these speed runners would ignore such as..Bee's. People who want to run through it ignore mechanics and if there happens to be a mechanic that is required to win the run they still try to push through time after time until people quit just like AK. I've had to deal with people wiping to the bee's maybe..8 / 9 times because they go "no just ignore it's how my last party did it!" So..if you don't like speedruns you really have people like yourself to blame.

People ignored Bees because they had the DPS to kill the boss without switching to them. What you have described is someone just being a moron. It is up to the entire party to decide the strategy a group will use, not just a very vocal and expressive player's.

Or you can just simply suck it up..nothing is worse than jumping into a dungeon just for the tank to do a surprise speed run.

You working hard or are you hardly working?