Let Players Speed Run Again

[Noahlimits]

Um ok... and no they don't on average, perhaps a dungeon or two can be ran in that amount of time, but your statement is incorrect lol...

Most dungeons take at a minimum 15-20 minutes with a good team (not even considering Speed runs), speed runs may shave off about 5 mayyybe 7 minutes, not anything as significant as 15-20 minutes...

Again, do any regular run of ANY dungeon (pulling no more than one enemy pack at a time) in the game with 3 other competent players. Do that dungeon regularly. Post your time. I'll make a video of doing a speed run of that dungeon with the exact same ilvl of your group has and I'll beat that time doing a speed run by at least 10 minutes.

I remember people not believing that you could easily do 8-10 minute brayflox HM speed runs when it first came out.

[Deculture]

Also works well for stuff like Butcher's Block/Rage of Halone for snap threat.

[Spoekes]

I cannot speak for JP Servers. Many ppl glorifiy them, maybe you should switch if to a JP Server.

Whenever I open Partyfinder it looks a bit like this:
Turn X - KILL EXP 1 FAIL -> KICK
Primal Y - KNOW YOUR STUFF, NO NOOBS
SELLING COIL, ALL PRIMALS, MOUNT...
the list goes on..

Learning parties do pop from time to time, but they die after the 60 mins timer.

Maybe your thinking is not backwards in Japan Servers but here it definately is.

[Ellatrix]

Yea and people struggle to clear things because they don't care about their own performance in a group setting.

Pushing limits in speed runs for dungeon content translates well into performance in raid content.

[technole]

Yea and people struggle to clear things because they don't care about their own performance in a group setting.

Pushing limits in speed runs for dungeon content translates well into performance in raid content.

Agreed. How one handles situations that can go wrong in dungeons too can translate to dealing with the pressure in raids.

[Zedd702]

Agreed. How one handles situations that can go wrong in dungeons too can translate to dealing with the pressure in raids.

Problem is this thread is NOT about raid content even though you make a valid point. That's the main issue I have when it comes to elitists views of almost everything. People make comments about "dungeon" content and in comes the elitists that make it all about "raid" content... That's where the miscommunications and unnecessary drama forms. If the raiders would learn to differentiate between the two and think outside your normal static coil farms, then there'd be less of this back and forth where both sides points are completely true, but one side is much more relevant than the other...

[FranSeara]

Problem is this thread is NOT about raid content even though you make a valid point. That's the main issue I have when it comes to elitists views of almost everything. People make comments about "dungeon" content and in comes the elitists that make it all about "raid" content... That's where the miscommunications and unnecessary drama forms. If the raiders would learn to differentiate between the two and think outside your normal static coil farms, then there'd be less of this back and forth where both sides points are completely true, but one side is much more relevant than the other...

Pretty much all this. I wish raiders could understand that not everyone cares about endgame stuff. Some of us are not training for T??, and some of us non-raiders don't care about speed running and the coils.

[technole]

Problem is this thread is NOT about raid content even though you make a valid point. That's the main issue I have when it comes to elitists views of almost everything. People make comments about "dungeon" content and in comes the elitists that make it all about "raid" content... That's where the miscommunications and unnecessary drama forms. If the raiders would learn to differentiate between the two and think outside your normal static coil farms, then there'd be less of this back and forth where both sides points are completely true, but one side is much more relevant than the other...

Oh I don't disagree. Like I have no qualms jumping into a DF solo as heals and following through with how a tank wants to lead things. I may have a way I prefer to do things, but the tank is the party leader.

[Zedd702]

Oh I don't disagree. Like I have no qualms jumping into a DF solo as heals and following through with how a tank wants to lead things. I may have a way I prefer to do things, but the tank is the party leader.

Yes, more capable/experienced healers like you and I can do that though, but most tanks that are "spoiled" by our immediate adaptation to their natural habit is one of the many problems that start this vicious cycle of tanks "assuming" SR on every dungeon run, without assessing the teams capability.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Right. And we mass pull and spam aoes in Coil while our healers DPS, right? Or wait, now they tank now too, right?