Let Players Speed Run Again

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It's the mechanics like the gates, fall drops, trigger spawns. It's all boring and reused over and over and over.

Make a random generated puzzle or something if your gonna force me to atop. Make it interesting.

But you already previously stated that putting up gates like that are a waste of time. Oh that sweet contradiction. . .

In a practical sense, what more do you want (or not want, for that matter)? Randomized dungeons? Sure, sign me up too, but even those would have limitations, and generally wouldn't lend well to speed runs. So again we're at an impasse. As a happy compromise, perhaps a mechanic like the Tonberry Stalker might be welcome again, as it would encourage a sense of urgency to do it fast. Oh, but that would be a reused idea. . . Hmm. . .

That sweet contradiction.

[BobbinT]

But you already previously stated that putting up gates like that are a waste of time. Oh that sweet contradiction. . .

In a practical sense, what more do you want (or not want, for that matter)? Randomized dungeons? Sure, sign me up too, but even those would have limitations, and generally wouldn't lend well to speed runs. So again we're at an impasse. As a happy compromise, perhaps a mechanic like the Tonberry Stalker might be welcome again, as it would encourage a sense of urgency to do it fast. Oh, but that would be a reused idea. . . Hmm. . .

That sweet contradiction.

You need to learn what "contradiction" actually means.

OP welcomes the change as long as it's refreshing, not something reused over and over. Heck... I think most of us do! One of the reason speed run was invented are because of those boredom stuff you have to keep doing over and over.

And you should realize that those gated mobs are really... really old news. Wonder if you ever tasted what Amdapoor Keep originally offers and how many times that dungeon got buffed and nerfed to the point of it being too ridiculous.

Seriously, stop using the word if you're not really understand the meaning, and thus... making fool of yourself. ^^;

[LunaHoshino]

You know, you have the ability to tell people you don't want to speed run. If the majority of the party wants to speed run you have to. Just like I have to slow down if the party wants to.

If you don't want a speed run you can leave the duty. You want to go slow means you have time to kill so you can wait for the next duty.

But it doesn't matter, the speed of the party. It's the mechanics like the gates, fall drops, trigger spawns. It's all boring and reused over and over and over.

Make a random generated puzzle or something if your gonna force me to atop. Make it interesting.

No. Speedrunning should not be the default; it should be something asked about and agreed upon by all of the party members involved. If even one person says they don't want to do a speedrun, then you don't do a speedrun. Pressuring people into it or saying they should leave the duty if they don't want to do it is being a jerk.

[Ellatrix]

No. Speedrunning should not be the default; it should be something asked about and agreed upon by all of the party members involved. If even one person says they don't want to do a speedrun, then you don't do a speedrun. Pressuring people into it or saying they should leave the duty if they don't want to do it is being a jerk.

Majority of players will default to efficient behavior. Speed running is efficient, and thus becomes the default. If you aren't up to that, go queue for lower level dungeons. Go be a special slow snowflake outside of expert roulette.

[LunaHoshino]

Majority of players will default to efficient behavior. Speed running is efficient, and thus becomes the default. If you aren't up to that, go queue for lower level dungeons. Go be a special slow snowflake outside of expert roulette.

The special snowflake here would be you for thinking you can force speedrunning onto parties. Not everyone wants to speedrun. Not everyone CAN speedrun, especially at lower ilvls. If you're that desperate for a speedrun, make a party in PF specifically for that purpose.

I actually don't mind speedrunning at all, since I can handle it. But I've seen far too many healers who can't handle it and then get blamed when the tank dies or melees who run out of TP and have to stand around waiting for it to build back up.

Then again, you've pretty much proven yourself to be an elitist jerk time and time again, so I shouldn't expect any other answer from you.

[Kerwin]

I loved brayflox speed runs. There's nothing wrong with allowing people who want to speed run to speedrun. I always ask the party if it was okay to pull bigger pulls. The drop points are pretty funny when you think about it. It is a clever way of keeping the party from locking out trash mobs at boss fights.

[kyrios91]

This thread is ridiculous. When dungeons were speedrunnable, people were like "OMG DUNGEONS ARE TOO EASY NOW SE STOP THIS SPEEDRUNNING IT TOTALLY KILLS THE FUN!". Now SE made the 2.4 dungeons with mechanics that prevents speedruns, "OMG SE WHY CANT WE SPEEDRUN THIS DUNGEONS SERIOUSLY ITS TOO BORING!". Just deal with it, man. Unless your entire family explodes if you don't cap your Poetics by the 1st day after reset then I understand.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

BobbinT, the implied contradiction lies in the fact that he is on record saying he hates mechanics, but then suggests a random generated puzzle (which would be a mechanic that would not exactly be speed run friendly, no?)

And please don't try to play the grammar card. You're better than that.

[Jinrya-Geki]

BobbinT, the implied contradiction lies in the fact that he is on record saying he hates mechanics, but then suggests a random generated puzzle (which would be a mechanic that would not exactly be speed run friendly, no?)

And please don't try to play the grammar card. You're better than that.

I don't like the current mechanics, they are meant to slow you down forcefully. They are not meant to entertain people at all. If you are going to force me to stop make it interesting, that is the alternative I suggested. This way it's not re-the same thing over and over, it's random generated. If the developers aren't going to make it interesting, then they might as well just remove the dumb current mechanics and let the people who can , speedrun.

Most people who I have done runs with pull nearly all the mobs on the second pull after the yeti. If it were a paladin and they Hallowed Ground, I bet monsters could be burned, maybe not. That would be the trial and error I would do with my FC and parties who want to try in Duty Finder. It makes it fun and exciting to see if I could burn them, or tank those mobs.

[SpookyGhost]

If you are going to force me to stop make it interesting, that is the alternative I suggested.

This is another problem I have with the new dungeons. Prime example being Sastasha HM where there is literally a stopping point that requires you kill 2 whole enemies before progressing onward. Why is that there? For what purpose? We haven't had to do that since... early low level dungeons, and even then you could pull multiple packs of them at a time if you wanted to.