Vote Dismiss from frontlines needs to be changed.

[asharladon]

I played a lot of frontlines when it came out and had a ton of fun getting my mount and rank 40, then I took a long break until this patch raised the rank again. Now every match I'm in I get yelled at and kicked if I don't want to mindlessly zerg a flag with my party. One game I loaded in and our party was 6 bards a healer and me they still wanted to go to markets and fight for that point when it's really obvious that if nobody changes class there is no way we can win that fight. Instead of listening and changing class they just yelled at me for trying to backcap enemy outposts. I have plenty of other instances of things like this happening but the main point is:

I shouldn't have to justify my own strategy to the 7 other people in the party in order to play the game.

If they're not going to swap class from 6 bard lol party then why do they get to pretend like they are actually trying to win and think they can kick people etc. Really frustrating.

[IveraIvalice]

If most of the party is kicking you then it's a majority decision. Front lines is a team game so yes you should work as a team and establish your own plan with the team. You obviously see that you are right in these situations and I have no opinion to back you up but if it's happening constantly and it is a majority vote to kick you, maybe you should think of why that's happening

[asharladon]

I generally don't talk at all. Since the first time I get kicked, i respond nicely whenever someone directly questions what I'm doing but otherwise don't talk. One time I got kicked and rejoined in progress and told them they were all idiots but that's the only time I said anything rude. It's not like this happens all the time, maybe 1 in 5 games we are losing? I think it should be either required 7 vote to kick, no vote dismiss in frontlines, or some sort of easier way to counter report the person who vote dismiss you. As of now you can't even see a name or anything so asking a gm is annoying. It also wouldn't be nearly as annoying if the queue time wasn't so long.

@ Ivera I don't talk to my team unless they directly ask what I'm doing and I don't insult them. Thinking your whole team is a moron isn't something that should get you kicked especially if you don't say anything about it. I definitely don't yell at my team, I'm saying they yell at me and then kick me for not following moronic strategies with 0% chance of winning.

[IveraIvalice]

@ Ivera I don't talk to my team unless they directly ask what I'm doing and I don't insult them. Thinking your whole team is a moron isn't something that should get you kicked especially if you don't say anything about it. I definitely don't yell at my team, I'm saying they yell at me and then kick me for not following moronic strategies with 0% chance of winning.

Ok, like I said I'm only speaking from what I see here, not trying to point fingers.
If your not being rude to them perhaps it's that you aren't speaking to them that's getting you the kick. Like many have said it's a team game and at least establishing your plan before executing could result in a more favorable outcome. Maybe they just want someone to provide a different plan because no one is stepping up or the only ones who are are giving the plan you don't like.


Without being there it's hard to say why they would kick you if you aren't being rude or anything like. How do you propose the vote kick feature be fixed or altered?
I definetly don't want the feature removed, I've had plenty of games where someone sits at the spawn because they don't think we can win so they don't participate. And once even where I was unable to heal a guy in time, he died, and after we won the battle I raised but he refused to get up because he was mad that we couldn't save him. He layed there for the rest of the match not contributing and at the time we couldn't kick due to always being in combat. It definetly has it's uses more often then not in my opinion

[asharladon]

@Yamimarik the examples used to discuss player dispute specifically say to talk to a group leader or party members when joining a new group, but this isn't even possible with frontlines queue. You can't talk to a group leader or party members when joining a new group if you join through an hour long DF queue. Every member should be trying their best to win and if the path to victory that I see is different from my team mates why should I have to follow them just because they are in the majority?

If I go into frontlines as blackmage, and my whole team says "we have decided our strategy is for blackmages to not cast any fire spells so if you cast any fire spells we will kick you" you're telling me I have to respect that opinion and that sounds right to all of you and that's the policy we should be okay with SE having.

I don't care if I'm going to wait in 30 min DF queue to be placed on a team of morons but what's the point of having a game mode where I'm not even allowed to try to win.

[Yamimarik]

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You have plenty of time once you enter the actual instance to discuss a solid strategy and talk with the other members of your group before the game begins.

That is grasping really hard at your own interpretations, obviously that would fall under griefing if someone were to tell you not to use an actual ability from the job you're playing, and that would most likely be something reportable if they were to kick you if you used "Fire" in your example.

You are allowed to try and win, but if you lack communications skills, and the team thinks you're just ignoring them or their strategies by doing what ever you want w/o even speaking with them prior, more than likely you're gonna have a bad time and might just end up getting kicked. Communication with others isn't hard, this is by the way, an MMORPG, where you play with multiple people towards one common goal.

[Sadana]

if the path to victory that I see is different from my team mates why should I have to follow them just because they are in the majority?

If I go into frontlines as blackmage, and my whole team says "we have decided our strategy is for blackmages to not cast any fire spells so if you cast any fire spells we will kick you" you're telling me I have to respect that opinion and that sounds right to all of you and that's the policy we should be okay with SE having.

Yes.

The ONLY way around this source of frustration for you is to go with a full party of friends. Then you can coordinate a winning strategy and, hopefully, actually win. Otherwise, yes, majority rules.

[asharladon]

Yeah that's exactly the attitude I'm talking about. Who cares if the majority wants to kick someone? The other problem is most people don't even seem to think about the vote they just pass and forget because they don't care at all. It's insane to waste an hour of my time waiting in queue then be forced to play subpar strategies just because a bunch of morons think the right way to win is sending 24 bards to manors. The people voting don't even care if they win or not they just want to blame someone and feel better about themselves. I could whine and complain and try to kick them for playing useless bard class in frontlines and doing less than 20k dmg and no kills or flags taken the whole fight but all i want is to be able to actually try to win without getting vote kicked. I've already accepted that everyone on my team is going to be a moron, why can't i play the game still.

[IveraIvalice]

Because you sound like a very pleasant person to have as a team mate..

[Brianmj]

6 bards, a healer and whatever can take markets... keh, keh, kehehehHAHHAHA.

The lone wolf strategy can work to an extent, but frontline is first and foremost a team game. The party kicking you for going at it alone though... I'm not agreeing with that; that seems a bit extreme. Maybe you should have a GM look into it. Are you sure you didn't say anything rude that normally WOULD get you kicked? And what do you propose vote kick be changed to?