Thread: Garuda 1.0

Originally Posted by Jynx

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The blame goes on both ends. SE may of rushed the project to compete with other MMO's coming out, but it was the FFXIV team who approved of graphics > everything, which was admitted was the focus of the team. They approved of Fatigue, RNG experience/class points, using an offline gaming engine for online, 48 hour wait time for 8 guildleves, letting parley be an alternative method to progressing the game, overly complex recipes for the smallest items, and so on.

FFXIV 1.0 was not simply a rushed product. It was a game which heavily centered on bad decisions left and right. People would of tolerated server structure and rushed development more if the game was built on a strong structure and good ideas. The thing is, it wasn't. Never before had I played an MMO where the developers were trying to keep you out of the game as much as possible.

FFXIV 1.0 was such a failure on so many levels. You can point the finger at SE, they do deserve it, but Tanaka deserves just as much the blame and even if given more time, the game would of been plagued with bad ideas and poor game play. I don't believe any amount of time would of made the game work on that engine.

Also, who remembers this? This is as old as it gets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6oiev4WTuc

Was during 1.xx alpha and they used an ATB gauge style system before it was scrapped for the stamina bar system.

The only part I'd like to see return is the lighting and reflections. They are quite nice in that old engine.

Originally Posted by Tupsi

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I thought you were quoting me to reply to post, which I will quote again

Originally Posted by Alukah

I don't need to know you, everyone reads your posts, which are overly negative when it comes to ARR but extremely defensive when someone criticizes XI or 1.0.

Unless you're meaning to tell me you don't play ARR, to which I must wonder... Why?

If you want more direct questions:

If you dislike ARR so much that the only thing you do in ARR forums is bash it (while comparing it to 1.0 / XI) why do you play? If you don't play, why are you bashing it?

And before you label it as a personal attack, I'm genuinely curious here, I want to understand your PoV.

Now to your most recent post....

Originally Posted by Tupsi

This is why I know you just attack people for the sake of it. You seriously asked this question? Like seriously?

Are you accusing me of attacking Tanaka "for the sake of it"? I'm just saying I don't believe him.

I can take Super Mario World and make a new game out of it in 2 days. Why? Because the assets are already created. You also seem to forget that Yoshida stated prior to 1.20 everything added including fixes were done when Tanaka was lead but they had no time to implement it due to XIV being released before it was ready.

So when Tanaka was there they had no time to implement fixes, when Yoshi came they suddenly had time to implement fixes. Okay.

Sounds more like the old "leader" had a different set of priorities than the "new" leader.

You must not have ever had a job..have you? If you do currently have a job would you care to test a theory? The theory is, you can do whatever you want and your boss has no say so or control on you. They also can't tell you what to do.

If you say: "I'd get fired."

Congrats, you now understand why most people (know) that Tanaka wasn't 100% to blame.

Tanaka might not have 100% of the blame, but you 1.0 players talk as if he had absolutely no fault, just based on some "save face" words he said after he was removed from the team, neither you or I know how much control he had over that team, but only one of us is taking an extreme stance without being 100% certain of how much involvement he had in 1.0's failure.

All I'm saying is that we can't ascertain what Tanaka did or didn't do for the game and what was really his say so.

By the sounds of it he checked out pretty early and let the other team members do whatever they wanted, chances are he pitched his idea it got rejected so he just let the newer team members take the reigns with minor input. Like I said though we have no idea what went on during the development process, let alone how much work Tanaka was even allowed to put into the game.

I'd have to side with Velhart and others who echod the sentiment that it's really just SE's fault entirely for letting 1.0 fail, they failed to listen to players during Alpha and Beta had more than enough chances to make massive changes before they pushed it out the door to a slaughtering by the media. Yoshida is as much a figurehead for the games development as Tanaka was, there is still a good chance that Yoshida doesn't really have as much control as people make him out to have.

Hell is anything it would be pretty easy to assume that the brass is keeping a even tighter reign on the game. Things like Cash shop really ring that as a possibillity and how most changes are as safe as you can play it.